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Wait so the phones cause cancer people were right?
Not right, but influential on EU regulators. Hopefully EU citizens find such results as a mark of shame rather than pride and move towards fact-based policy. Emotion-based policy is dangerous.
It may be unnecessarily low, but it's certainly not a mark of shame for EU citizens specifically.
What would Mother Nature think of all this?
I’m not sure what it would think about iPhone 12 regulations. I suspect it would consider that a bit of a niche detail.
Wait so the phones cause cancer people were right?
A government having a regulatory limit on device emissions and a device failing that test is orthogonal to "phones cause cancer"
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The regulation is EU not only French, I am wondering why only now they discovered the issues , was there an OS update that cause this ?
> I am wondering why only now they discovered the issues Just normal corrupted politics. Let the issues surface at the right moment.
Worth noting that this is due to the French regulators applying the same SAR absorption standard as the rest of the EU but at a closer distance. Obviously radiation follows the inverse square law so this means you absorb more radiation in France ;) Even despite this reduced allowable emission the iPhone is barely out of compliance, they will need to reduce power less than 10% or simply get another few millimeters far…
Apple has denied those findings. > Apple said it had provided ANFR with multiple Apple and independent third-party lab results proving its compliance with all applicable SAR regulations and standards in the world. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-disputes-french-fin...
Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?
Of course, a company doesn't get that large by giving out money with no push back. Just some perspective.
Apple has denied those findings. > Apple said it had provided ANFR with multiple Apple and independent third-party lab results proving its compliance with all applicable SAR regulations and standards in the world. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-disputes-french-fin...
This doesn't surprise me. It's not unusual to find completely different results from "accredited" labs despite the test methodologies being the same.
I do find this difference to be surprisingly large, it's not like the threshold is 4W/kg and Apple claims they measured 3.9 and France claims they measured 4.1... But what do I know.
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> Hmmm… Why did you stop quoting it there? > There are several factors that help to explain the increase in incidence: population growth, population ageing, exposure to risk factors, improved screening and improved outcomes in other diseases (meaning that more people are reaching an advanced age, leaving them at risk of cancer). The incidence of different cancer types varies widely between different European countrie…
The age argument doesn't seem to be holding up since cancer rates are growing for younger people: https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/16/health/early-onset-cancer... Better screening could be a factor. Also, population growth doesn't matter for a *rate*.
You cited cases, not a rate.
Worth noting that this is due to the French regulators applying the same SAR absorption standard as the rest of the EU but at a closer distance. Obviously radiation follows the inverse square law so this means you absorb more radiation in France ;) Even despite this reduced allowable emission the iPhone is barely out of compliance, they will need to reduce power less than 10% or simply get another few millimeters far…
I thought this whole EM radiation fear was bogus. How does it even interact with the body? There are obviously no neutrons flying around..
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The iPhone 12 is a three year old device. I'm not sure what parade they'd be raining on.
Also there’s a good chance Apple had some wiggle room in deciding the date that the iPhone 12 was pulled from the shelves. From apple’s perspective today sounds like a great day to pull the 12 because people would just assume it’s not available any more now that the 15 is out.
It's even better because it's not available anymore exactly because of that reason :). You cannot get it in any (online) Apple Store, be it French or not.