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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by Miraltar »

nikanj wrote: post #77
eclecticfrank wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is still an ongoing debate [1] and one side of the argument is heavily influenced and funded by the telecom industry [2]. [1] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/r... [2] https://news.berkeley.edu/2021/07/01/health-risks-of-cell-ph...

The other side is funded and heavily influenced by the ”buy our Goji berries to shield your body from toxins and our shielding bracelet to stop harmful radiation from altering your chakras” quacks. There are no neutral parties in the argument

You'll have to admit that one side has more to lose and more power than the other

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by oblio »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #80
oblio wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes-and-no: the EU Commission serves as the "executive branch" (Americanisms...) of the EU That's not an "Americanism". It's a principle of the separation of powers and I imagine it dates back to the "Europeanianist" Englightenment.

EDIT: I'll admit I overlooked the US system's origins origins and concepts in France - but even though these concepts are not American in origin, the US is where all the mentions lead-to today. --- It is an Americanism because the term implicitly assumes two things: 1. That the government is split into branches, following how the US system evolved. 2. That executive power must be confined to a single branch, also how…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Separation_of_powers#Montesqui...

The origin of the principle is literally European, but all right, you have an agenda, have fun :-)

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by eastbound »

Varloom wrote: post #45
fh9302 wrote: post #22

Apple has denied those findings. > Apple said it had provided ANFR with multiple Apple and independent third-party lab results proving its compliance with all applicable SAR regulations and standards in the world. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-disputes-french-fin...

Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?

OTOH, the French regulator publishing a product removal from market ON THE DAY of the marketing PR for the new iPhone is a distasteful attempt at raining on their parade.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by oblio »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #79
oblio wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's pretty clearly not though. We've had a huge adoption of mobile phones in a very short time, and we've seen no corresponding signal in the cancer rates across the globe. So the effect size is bounded to some extremely low value, probably zero. https://www.efpia.eu/publications/cancer-comparator-report/c... > Cancer incidence across Europe has risen by approximately 50% over the past two decades from 2.1 million…

> Hmmm… Why did you stop quoting it there? > There are several factors that help to explain the increase in incidence: population growth, population ageing, exposure to risk factors, improved screening and improved outcomes in other diseases (meaning that more people are reaching an advanced age, leaving them at risk of cancer). The incidence of different cancer types varies widely between different European countrie…

The age argument doesn't seem to be holding up since cancer rates are growing for younger people:

https://edition.cnn.com/2023/08/16/health/early-onset-cancer...

Better screening could be a factor.

Also, population growth doesn't matter for a *rate*.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by ecmascript »

mwidell wrote: post #87

I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?

I have a Samsung watch without cellular but with bluetooth communications instead.

Can someone eloborate what the difference is between celluar connections and other wireless tech like headless phones or watches? Is there any difference except strength etc.

Never believed it before, but suddently the thought of wireless technologies being bad gave me a reality check and I realized I have never questioned it.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by BossingAround »

eastbound wrote: post #93
Varloom wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?

OTOH, the French regulator publishing a product removal from market ON THE DAY of the marketing PR for the new iPhone is a distasteful attempt at raining on their parade.

I honestly doubt literally anyone in the government cares about Apple marketing

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by dotnet00 »

mwidell wrote: post #87

I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?

Probably not the kind of physics knowledge you're expecting, but your regular phone probably also tends to be "tied" to your thigh in your pocket or to your hand when in use. If that's fine with you (weight and distraction concerns aside), a watch isn't that different.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by seszett »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #80
oblio wrote: post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes-and-no: the EU Commission serves as the "executive branch" (Americanisms...) of the EU That's not an "Americanism". It's a principle of the separation of powers and I imagine it dates back to the "Europeanianist" Englightenment.

EDIT: I'll admit I overlooked the US system's origins origins and concepts in France - but even though these concepts are not American in origin, the US is where all the mentions lead-to today. --- It is an Americanism because the term implicitly assumes two things: 1. That the government is split into branches, following how the US system evolved. 2. That executive power must be confined to a single branch, also how…

> It is an Americanism because the term implicitly assumes two things:

> 1. That the government is split into branches, following how the US system evolved.

> 2. That executive power must be confined to a single branch, also how the US is organized.

I'm pretty sure these principles are originally French. The American system was built around these principles as well, but calling them American is a whole new level of Americentrism.

Separation of powers into three branches is basically a prerequisite for belonging to the EU, as it is considered a basic requirement for a democracy.

For that matter, the US and France are probably two of the modern democracies that have the least separation between these powers (on paper).

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by [deleted] »

j16sdiz wrote: post #84
JacobSeated wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aspartame is still fine, and it is one of the most researched substances. This type of reasoning, that you are using, is down right unscientific, conspiratorial, and dangerous. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aspartame-and-cancer/

How is it "unscientific" when we know they are 99.99% unrelated, but you want at least 99.99999% to feel safe? Aspartame, unlike sugar, are non-essential. If somebody don't want to take that 0.000000001% risk, I guess they should be free to make their choice?

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by paulmd »

Worth noting that this is due to the French regulators applying the same SAR absorption standard as the rest of the EU but at a closer distance. Obviously radiation follows the inverse square law so this means you absorb more radiation in France ;)

Even despite this reduced allowable emission the iPhone is barely out of compliance, they will need to reduce power less than 10% or simply get another few millimeters farther away.

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