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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by paulmd »

lagrange77 wrote: post #145
paulmd wrote: post #100

Worth noting that this is due to the French regulators applying the same SAR absorption standard as the rest of the EU but at a closer distance. Obviously radiation follows the inverse square law so this means you absorb more radiation in France ;) Even despite this reduced allowable emission the iPhone is barely out of compliance, they will need to reduce power less than 10% or simply get another few millimeters far…

I thought this whole EM radiation fear was bogus. How does it even interact with the body? There are obviously no neutrons flying around..

it is, and the french are kinda catering to the wackos by letting them tinker with the EU/FCC standards. unsurprisingly when you place the phones closer than normal, you get a higher measurement, and if you do not adjust the absorption limits then wow, it's over the limit! scary!

but there's no particular reason to think that this new, effectively lower absorption limit correlates to any particular health risk, or that it's a relevant threshold for absorption now that you've moved the phone closer.

the fact of the matter is, if there was some major absorption risk from phones, we'd have seen an abrupt spike in cancer rates in the 2000s when like 90% of the population suddenly started carrying a phone against their body for 16 hours a day. The world’s greatest (and ethical!) A/B test lol.

The evidence is already in, just from weight of mass public usage. At least at these frequencies and transmit powers.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by kube-system »

davidblowie wrote: post #29

Wait so the phones cause cancer people were right?

No, non-ionizing radiation is still not linked to cancer. However, SAR limits still exist because there is concern about localized heating of body tissue. As an extreme example, putting your head in a microwave and turning it on is not a good idea. Not because it will give you cancer, but because it will cook your head.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by kuchenbecker »

justinclift wrote: post #6
Uftos wrote: post #2

Just the day when it's no more available on apple.com cause of the iphone 15 announcement, what a coincidence

Yeah. This bit sounds like a catch though: As for those telephones that are already in use, Apple must adopt all necessary corrective measures to bring the telephones into conformity as soon as possible, otherwise, Apple will have to recall the equipment.

Dumb question, but what if there weren't OTA updates?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by j16sdiz »

marcinzm wrote: post #116
j16sdiz wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it "unscientific" when we know they are 99.99% unrelated, but you want at least 99.99999% to feel safe? Aspartame, unlike sugar, are non-essential. If somebody don't want to take that 0.000000001% risk, I guess they should be free to make their choice?

The general issue I've found with people that take this mindset is that they focus so much on the 0.000000001% risks that they miss a lot of 1% risks. Which I would say is unscientific in terms of minimizing ones risks.

1. It's not just risk, it's also a risk/benefit balance.

2. We have 8 billion human on this earth. Is it bad to have 0.00001% of human alive (i.e. a few thousands) focus on 0.00001% risk?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by kube-system »

j16sdiz wrote: post #84
JacobSeated wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aspartame is still fine, and it is one of the most researched substances. This type of reasoning, that you are using, is down right unscientific, conspiratorial, and dangerous. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aspartame-and-cancer/

How is it "unscientific" when we know they are 99.99% unrelated, but you want at least 99.99999% to feel safe? Aspartame, unlike sugar, are non-essential. If somebody don't want to take that 0.000000001% risk, I guess they should be free to make their choice?

Someone who chooses not to do something over a 0.000000001% risk is either irrationally bad at math and statistics or needs to get some help with their anxiety. Experts would call things with a 0.000000001% risk "extremely safe" because in comparison to other daily risks inherent to existing as a human, that number is much much lower.

The risk of dying in a car in the US is 12,890,000 times higher.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by mytailorisrich »

eastbound wrote: post #93
Varloom wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?

OTOH, the French regulator publishing a product removal from market ON THE DAY of the marketing PR for the new iPhone is a distasteful attempt at raining on their parade.

No, it's Apple's fault for setting up their PR event just when French civil servants have got back to work after their summer holidays. ;)

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by FredPret »

danwee wrote: post #161
pantulis wrote: post #37

What would Mother Nature think of all this?

We are mother nature and mother nature is us. It's all intertwined. An iPhone is as natural as a banana (earth -> tree -> banana, earth -> human -> iphone). The unnatural would be, by definition, impossible.

This is a very important truth to keep in mind and an interesting new thought for most.

Either humans are unique and non-animal, or we and all our works are as natural as anthills and bird nests.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by baybal2 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #172
Varloom wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?

France has a huge "cellular EM waves are bad" movement so I wouldn't trust them about this either. It's weird that they are the only country where these iPhones seem to misbehave.

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by dahart »

whatwhaaaaat wrote: post #153
tmpX7dMeXU wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Guess which side is more susceptible to low-quality propaganda.

[flagged]

Aren’t all countries doing boosters? Which countries don’t have boosters? Do you know of any specifically?

This comment surprised me so I looked it up. The WHO report from Jan 2023 says 91 countries are reporting data on boosters. [1] The ‘our world in data’ site shows booster coverage for most of the world, only missing some countries in Africa and maybe small countries and islands too small to see on the map. Aside from the US, there’s booster coverage in Australia, Canada, China, Russia, India, all of Europe, all of South America, among others. This URL has the map view scrolled to May 2022, which appears to be the peak of the data reporting for boosters. [2]

[1] https://apps.who.int/gb/COVID-19/pdf_files/2023/05_01/Item1....

[2] https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/cumulative-covid-vaccine-...

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by sneak »

oblio wrote: post #152
dwaite wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Also, population growth doesn't matter for a rate . You cited cases, not a rate.

Europe's population (and EU's, if you compare the sum of current member state populations) is basically flat since 1995. Ergo the increase in cases means an increase in rate.

If growth (ie the first derivative) is flat (which means a steady rate of increase) then an increase of cases does not mean an increase in rate.
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