The Uselessness of Phenylephrine (2022)

Post by lazide » Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 10:27 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #211

lazide wrote: post #207

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Dude, that report was written AFTER the laws which required it to be moved behind the counter, people to take IDs, etc. 2 years after. Smurfing was the response to that. They used those databases to identify it and target folks. That's the whole point.

I re-read it again. It says that exactly nowhere. In fact, the one specific case it did talk about, the causality was reversed: the investigation started with a couple that was recruiting other people to buy.

Post by freedomben » Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 10:37 PM UTC

scarface_74 wrote: post #24

greatpostman wrote: post #5

Probably will get downvoted for this, but a bunch of my family members are pharmacists. Their quiet opinion is that most pharmaceuticals don’t work. Even the ones that are thought effective. The data is anecdotal, but is over 15 years of watching people come in for prescriptions. The other aspect, is they say it’s mind boggling to see what kind of drugs people are on.

Of course you are going to get downvoted and you should. I know my blood pressure medicine works for instance because every time I talk to my doctor about reducing it or getting off it, I monitor my blood pressure and it spikes. I know psuedophredrine works. And your data is just that, “anecdotal”, it’s no better than the people doing “research” by watching YouTube on the toilet.

Post by tyingq » Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 10:41 PM UTC

tyingq wrote: post #160

JJMcJ wrote: post #136

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You can still get pseudoephedrine, for example Claritin D, the D for decongestant. It's not by prescription but you have to sign for it at the pharmacy desk, present ID, and I believe it's reported to FDA/DEA and there are limits to how much you can buy per month.

That's mostly right, but it's not reported to anyone. It came from the "The Combat Methamphetamine Epidemic Act of 2005" . If you want to sell pseudoephedrine, your org has to "self certify", keep a logbook purchasers have to sign, require ID, enforce the purchase limits, train employees, etc. But, the logbook doesn't go anywhere unless some investigation or audit prompts that. So, if you're a really determined cooke…

Post by freedomben » Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 10:46 PM UTC

xylophonermore wrote: post #190

nicole_express wrote: post #168

Phenylephrine did its job of convincing people to accept restricting access to pseudoephedrine, since there was a substitute that could still be freely available. Now it'll be taken off the market, but pseudoephedrine that actually works will still be restricted. At least the homeopathics consumers will buy instead have fewer side effects

I, like many others I suspect, bought phenylephrine when Sudafed first disappeared from store shelves. It was 100% ineffective for me from the first dose. In the meantime, Sudafed has become one of the most difficult to acquire substances for my daily life (I need it every day as directed by my doc). So many times when I go to a pharmacy to get it, they're out of 96-count or 48-count or any count, meaning my one allo…

Post by bee_rider » Wed, Sep 13, 2023, 10:49 PM UTC

greatpostman wrote: post #5

Probably will get downvoted for this, but a bunch of my family members are pharmacists. Their quiet opinion is that most pharmaceuticals don’t work. Even the ones that are thought effective. The data is anecdotal, but is over 15 years of watching people come in for prescriptions. The other aspect, is they say it’s mind boggling to see what kind of drugs people are on.