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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #206

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Sounds similar to the '5g rollout caused covid' movement in the states.

5G panic was absolutely not limited to the US, honestly it's probably more prevalent in France, the UK, and Australia

Yes I don't think people realize how widespread stuff like homeopathy, cellular EM scare, antivaxx are widespread in Europe and the rest of the world. The US gets the spotlight but in other countries those opinions are often not even controversial (especially for less obvious stuff like radio waves etc)

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #209

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> There is a canyon of technical knowhow between RF engineers and testing labs. Why aren't testing labs hiring RF engineers?

They won’t get the contract from the OEM if they aren’t known for getting the results the OEM wants. Seems that with qualified people conducting the test they’d be out of business.

Could the exact same thing be said about whomever the French are hiring? They want to have findings or else all the money they spent ensuring compliance is effectively wasted.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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To put it lightly, this isn't a well supported theory.

Why? There is merit to it. Or are you waiting for a newspaper release to tell you it is well-supported?

The evidence is very weak establishing a risk of any kind to radio transmission at the levels exhibited in consumer devices. And the risk of cancer specifically is even weaker.

The study mentioned by the person in the above article exposed rats and mice to levels far above any SAR limits, and across their entire body. The study authors themselves say it is not representative of human exposure. And even then, they found that male rats lived longer than their normal lifespans when exposed.

https://tools.niehs.nih.gov/newsreleases/index.cfm/detail/85...

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #155

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I believe the concern is that non-ionizing radiation can still warm tissues, and depending on the frequency, these can be deeper than what normal sunlight or IR radiation would reach. Whether a few milliwats of that type of warming are actually cause for concern I don't know, but even if it's bogus, that doesn't mean that regulators will not be enforcing legal maximums anyway.

Is a hot shower illegal in France?

If it isn't, it's probably only because of a loophole lobbied for by Big Shower. Technically in France it's only a Shower in the shower region, outside of that geographically protected area it must be referred to as an hot water cleanse.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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This is a very important truth to keep in mind and an interesting new thought for most. Either humans are unique and non-animal, or we and all our works are as natural as anthills and bird nests.

Yes, humans are unique. > The way things are, the totality of all things in the physical universe and their order, especially the physical world in contrast to spiritual realms and flora and fauna as distinct from human conventions, art, and technology. [0] Without this exception "natural" loses all meaning; nothing would be considered artificial because everything inevitably comes from the earth. [0] https://en.wikt…

I've seen people use "constructed" instead of "artificial", and I think it does make sense because it relates to the human action and intention behind the changes we make to the environment. I'm not too sure what would be the alternative to "natural" though.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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At the present, we don't have enough evidence to be concerned about low-power EM radiation. However, this does not rule out the possibility that in the future, we might find a causal link between that kind of radiation and adverse health outcomes. What we do know at the moment is that this type of radiation can heat tissues. What are the long-term biological consequences of that? We don't really know. My advice: try…

If you want caution on something WITH a causal link - don’t eat cooked food!

Just to be clear, I don't think that low-power EM radiation poses a health risk. I am just saying that if you are worried about it (like OP is) you can simply reduce your exposure to it. Doing so is relatively easy and has a minimal quality of life impact. As others have mentioned, low-power EM radiation in the frequency range used by cellphones is non-ionizing, so it can't cause cancer or severe health issues in the same way that ionizing radiation can.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #212

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If someone asked me for a dollar in an unpleasant and totally unfounded manner, I’d probably give it to them, even if it was inconsequential.

And thus give them more encouragement them to shake down the next person, as well as you again the next time they see you on the street.

The nuisance lawsuit business model employed by all of our favorite patent trolls.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #15

Why only the french market then? Shouldn't they withdraw from all EU markets?

The French apparently measured the test at a closer distance than EU regulations.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37492752#37495753

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #87

I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?

Nothing about the ultra has changed that fact that you still have to own an iPhone to pair it with, right? It can’t really be considered an independent device?

It has an esim and cellular connectivity, so you can leave your phone home on an outing, but there are things you can configure on your watch only when paired with an iPhone.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Yes and where can we verify this?

By knowing high-school physics?

I don’t doubt that there has been extensive testing on radiation but knowing exactly which atoms and molecules are essential for the human body to sustain life and the corresponding energy levels at which those atoms and molecules ionize is probably outside the scope of high school physics.
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