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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by pjerem »

BossingAround wrote: post #96
eastbound wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

OTOH, the French regulator publishing a product removal from market ON THE DAY of the marketing PR for the new iPhone is a distasteful attempt at raining on their parade.

I honestly doubt literally anyone in the government cares about Apple marketing

ANFR is not the government. It’s a public agency not directly controlled by the government.

Nobody in the government cares about the iPhone 12. And concerning the current government, I’m pretty sure they are all owning iPhones, they all would love a selfie with Tim Cook and don’t even know what DAS is.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by piuantiderp »

kube-system wrote: post #168
mmh0000 wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“Cell phone radiation increases the risk for a number of biological and health disorders, including gliomas and acoustic neuroma brain cancer. Researchers discuss how to reduce the risk of cell phone radiation.”[1] [1] https://neurosciencenews.com/cellphone-radiation-brain-cance...

To put it lightly, this isn't a well supported theory.

Why? There is merit to it. Or are you waiting for a newspaper release to tell you it is well-supported?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by Schiendelman »

agmm wrote: post #174
mwidell wrote: post #87

I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?

At the present, we don't have enough evidence to be concerned about low-power EM radiation. However, this does not rule out the possibility that in the future, we might find a causal link between that kind of radiation and adverse health outcomes. What we do know at the moment is that this type of radiation can heat tissues. What are the long-term biological consequences of that? We don't really know. My advice: try…

If you want caution on something WITH a causal link - don’t eat cooked food!

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by smorrebrod »

pjerem wrote: post #198
mardifoufs wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France has a huge "cellular EM waves are bad" movement so I wouldn't trust them about this either. It's weird that they are the only country where these iPhones seem to misbehave.

> France has a huge "cellular EM waves are bad" movement What ?

I don't know the spread of this movement but it does exist. For example, the national electric company deployed a new generation of electric meter (Linky) which can communicate data to your supplier using PLC. This communication of course emits EM waves so some people objected to the installation of this meter.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by cowl »

mardifoufs wrote: post #172
Varloom wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?

France has a huge "cellular EM waves are bad" movement so I wouldn't trust them about this either. It's weird that they are the only country where these iPhones seem to misbehave.

Well if it was for the "cellular EM waves are bad" movement as you put it they would have a problem with most cellular phones and not specifically with the iPhone 12 don't you think?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by w0m »

pjerem wrote: post #198
mardifoufs wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France has a huge "cellular EM waves are bad" movement so I wouldn't trust them about this either. It's weird that they are the only country where these iPhones seem to misbehave.

> France has a huge "cellular EM waves are bad" movement What ?

Sounds similar to the '5g rollout caused covid' movement in the states.

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Post by boc »

piuantiderp wrote: post #202
kube-system wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put it lightly, this isn't a well supported theory.

Why? There is merit to it. Or are you waiting for a newspaper release to tell you it is well-supported?

We’d have already seen a massive spike in cancer if it was true.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by cowl »

eastbound wrote: post #93
Varloom wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?

OTOH, the French regulator publishing a product removal from market ON THE DAY of the marketing PR for the new iPhone is a distasteful attempt at raining on their parade.

OTOH the French regulator should not be even aware of marketing PR days for the hundred pf phones they test so your comment is a distasteful attempt to ascribe a meaning where there is none.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by derefr »

quitit wrote: post #165
fh9302 wrote: post #22

Apple has denied those findings. > Apple said it had provided ANFR with multiple Apple and independent third-party lab results proving its compliance with all applicable SAR regulations and standards in the world. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-disputes-french-fin...

If this sounds familiar it's because accredited labs made a similar claims about the iPhone 7/8 and then again the iPhone 11. In each case it was the lab using an incorrect methodology. I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's happened here. There is a canyon of technical knowhow between RF engineers and testing labs.

> There is a canyon of technical knowhow between RF engineers and testing labs.

Why aren't testing labs hiring RF engineers?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by 6510 »

lxgr wrote: post #155
lagrange77 wrote: post #145

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I thought this whole EM radiation fear was bogus. How does it even interact with the body? There are obviously no neutrons flying around..

I believe the concern is that non-ionizing radiation can still warm tissues, and depending on the frequency, these can be deeper than what normal sunlight or IR radiation would reach. Whether a few milliwats of that type of warming are actually cause for concern I don't know, but even if it's bogus, that doesn't mean that regulators will not be enforcing legal maximums anyway.

https://neurosciencenews.com/cellphone-radiation-brain-cance...

>In 1996, the Federal Communications Commission, or FCC, adopted exposure guidelines that limited the intensity of exposure to radiofrequency radiation. These guidelines were designed to prevent significant heating of tissue from short-term exposure to radiofrequency radiation, not to protect us from the effects of long-term exposure to low levels of modulated, or pulsed, radiofrequency radiation, which is produced by cellphones, cordless phones and other wireless devices, including Wi-Fi.

>Yet, the preponderance of research published since 1990 finds adverse biologic and health effects from long-term exposure to radiofrequency radiation, including DNA damage.

>More than 250 scientists, who have published over 2,000 papers and letters in professional journals on the biologic and health effects of non-ionizing electromagnetic fields produced by wireless devices, including cellphones, have signed the International EMF Scientist Appeal, which calls for health warnings and stronger exposure limits. So, there are many scientists who agree that this radiation is harmful to our health.

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