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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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An abundance of caution.

better a bit of caution than a slow and painful death? If history is any indicator it's a good idea to be more cautious than less

I don't see anyone in this thread arguing against an abundance of caution. But an abundance of caution doesn't mean the "phones cause cancer people were right"

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #126

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My country has a supreme law written in 1978. Any other law that conflicts with this one is illegal and must be repelled. Anyone who wants to overturn our 1978 law is effectively declaring war to us.

I guess this is why geeks are largely not involved in political processes. People seeing all topics as 1s and 0s are called maximalists and typically laughed out of the room.

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #115

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> Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down? All radio is non-ionizing EM, far lower frequency then visible light, thermal, etc. UV, Xrays, and gamma rays are in the opposite direction, higher frequency. Radio cannot do anything except minor amounts of heating, and at milliwatts of transmission power and inverse square law that's REALLY minor amounts of heating. There is no link to any sort of health effects…

Sun! It emits far more radiation than anything else and we don’t care about walking in sunlight.

Well tbh sun is responsible for millions of skin cancer every year

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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What would Mother Nature think of all this?

Mother nature doesn't exist. It's a man-made concept that can think anything you want it to.

Parent commenter likely references the quick film which featured Mother Nature in yesterday’s Apple event.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My country has a supreme law written in 1978. Any other law that conflicts with this one is illegal and must be repelled. Anyone who wants to overturn our 1978 law is effectively declaring war to us.

I guess this is why geeks are largely not involved in political processes. People seeing all topics as 1s and 0s are called maximalists and typically laughed out of the room.

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions. But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm. Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?

Nothing about the ultra has changed that fact that you still have to own an iPhone to pair it with, right? It can’t really be considered an independent device?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #105

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You missed your chance then - treaties already require member countries to defer to European rules where conflicting.

My country has a supreme law written in 1978. Any other law that conflicts with this one is illegal and must be repelled. Anyone who wants to overturn our 1978 law is effectively declaring war to us.

Laws are to be interpreted by the courts.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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I doubt it works this way. Regulatory bodies check your paperwork. They don't test things themselves.

From the article: > The mobile phones were tested by an accredited laboratory, which allows the ANFR to ensure that the SAR values comply with European regulation.

Governments do test products now and then, yes. But they aren't in the habit of routinely testing new products when they hit the market. I don't know what prompted this particular test, but it wouldn't surprise me if the ANFR just one day decided to test a bunch of models of iPhone (or a bunch of phone models in general) kind of arbitrarily.

There was a similar case recently where Sweden's equivalent decided to test a bunch of models of EV chargers and found some lacking.

In general, outside of these random tests, "they check the paperwork, not the thing itself" is correct.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #104

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The EU is not and never (on human time scales) will be, as there is no appetite for a federal union in many member states and unanimity would be required.

Anything can happen in the same way as it happened with Maastricht and the Euro: cooperating countries would just go forward with new entities that inherit the previous institutions, dissolving or mothballing old entities. In the long run, the hard core inevitably wins. Anything that includes France, Germany, Italy, and Spain, will inevitably drag everyone else one way or another.

> Anything that includes France, Germany, Italy, and Spain, will inevitably drag everyone else one way or another.

Maybe so, but whatever it became wouldn't be the EU and wouldn't include most of the current members states. It's obviously still an impossibility, as there is no appetite in any of those four countries for a federal EU.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #111

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Proving a link between cancer and one specific environmental factor is the physical impossibility you're looking for. Epidemiological studies tracking humans over time aren't controlled and will at best show a correlation worth studying, lab animal studies aren't great analogs given all the confounding factors and environmental differences with humans in real life, and unless the cancer causing agent acts quickly a c…

> Proving a link between cancer and one specific environmental factor is the physical impossibility you're looking for. But.. that happens all the time? The link between excessive solar exposure ("tanning") and cancer is extremely well documented.

Even that is a strong correlation though, and a simplified one at that. Context matters even for sun exposure, if solar radiation was a direct cause of cancer you should reliably see consistent skin cancer rates among people with similar complexion and exposure rates.

I've seen some really compelling research looking into diet changes that may impact risk of skin cancer, specifically an increase in saturated fats helping to reduce risk. The idea is that saturated fats are envloved in the process of your body turning UV into vitamin D. With more saturated fats in your system the UV has effectively has a job and is processed by the body.

My point is simply that the body is complex, cancer generally develops over years, and trying to narrow down a common link strong enough to claim causation is tricky if not impossible.

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