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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by flagrant_taco »

JacobSeated wrote: post #60
oblio wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's pretty clearly not though. We've had a huge adoption of mobile phones in a very short time, and we've seen no corresponding signal in the cancer rates across the globe. So the effect size is bounded to some extremely low value, probably zero. https://www.efpia.eu/publications/cancer-comparator-report/c... > Cancer incidence across Europe has risen by approximately 50% over the past two decades from 2.1 million…

It is far more likely that it is due to numerous other causes, some even with proven links – there is, however, still no links to mobile phone use, and no known mechanism by which it could even happen. Non-Ionizing Radiation causing cancer is probably as close to a physical impossibility as you get. Besides, there are numerous of other sources of radiation that is much stronger, including visible lights. You should b…

Proving a link between cancer and one specific environmental factor is the physical impossibility you're looking for.

Epidemiological studies tracking humans over time aren't controlled and will at best show a correlation worth studying, lab animal studies aren't great analogs given all the confounding factors and environmental differences with humans in real life, and unless the cancer causing agent acts quickly a controlled human study is likely impossible as controlling variables over years simply won't happen at scale.

Also the idea that visible light should be banned because radiation is an asinine argument meant to just badger without actually making a point.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by [deleted] »

fh9302 wrote: post #22

Apple has denied those findings. > Apple said it had provided ANFR with multiple Apple and independent third-party lab results proving its compliance with all applicable SAR regulations and standards in the world. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-disputes-french-fin...

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by sk7 »

robertlagrant wrote: post #78
gregoriol wrote: post #67

Why did it take them so long to check the device? The iPhone 12 has been sold since 2020, so 3 years. They probably can't check every model released, but this is one of the most sold devices. If it was actually dangerous it would have been great to know it as soon as it got released, it's not some obscure product that no one heard of on the French market.

I doubt it works this way. Regulatory bodies check your paperwork. They don't test things themselves.

From the article:

> The mobile phones were tested by an accredited laboratory, which allows the ANFR to ensure that the SAR values comply with European regulation.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by j16sdiz »

JacobSeated wrote: post #59
hankchinaski wrote: post #56

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Aspartame is still fine, and it is one of the most researched substances. This type of reasoning, that you are using, is down right unscientific, conspiratorial, and dangerous. https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/aspartame-and-cancer/

How is it "unscientific" when we know they are 99.99% unrelated, but you want at least 99.99999% to feel safe?

Aspartame, unlike sugar, are non-essential. If somebody don't want to take that 0.000000001% risk, I guess they should be free to make their choice?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #79
oblio wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's pretty clearly not though. We've had a huge adoption of mobile phones in a very short time, and we've seen no corresponding signal in the cancer rates across the globe. So the effect size is bounded to some extremely low value, probably zero. https://www.efpia.eu/publications/cancer-comparator-report/c... > Cancer incidence across Europe has risen by approximately 50% over the past two decades from 2.1 million…

> Hmmm… Why did you stop quoting it there? > There are several factors that help to explain the increase in incidence: population growth, population ageing, exposure to risk factors, improved screening and improved outcomes in other diseases (meaning that more people are reaching an advanced age, leaving them at risk of cancer). The incidence of different cancer types varies widely between different European countrie…

>exposure to risk factors

Like irradiation from telecoms signals, maybe.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by PartiallyTyped »

fasteo wrote: post #58
PartiallyTyped wrote: post #46

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Ahhh, another instance of Poe's law.

>>> Poe's law is an adage of internet culture saying that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, any parodic or sarcastic expression of extreme views can be mistaken by some readers for a sincere expression of those views You are welcome [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by mwidell »

I love my Apple Watch ultra, because with cellular I can use it as a phone – a very lightweight phone without social media distractions.

But I have to say I am a little bit uneasy about having a cellphone strapped to my arm.

Someone with physics knowledge please calm me down?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by a-french-anon »

nikanj wrote: post #77
eclecticfrank wrote: post #66

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That is still an ongoing debate [1] and one side of the argument is heavily influenced and funded by the telecom industry [2]. [1] https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/r... [2] https://news.berkeley.edu/2021/07/01/health-risks-of-cell-ph...

The other side is funded and heavily influenced by the ”buy our Goji berries to shield your body from toxins and our shielding bracelet to stop harmful radiation from altering your chakras” quacks. There are no neutral parties in the argument

Guess who's more likely to have the funds to do proper propaganda.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by fdfdfdf55 »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #36
xnorswap wrote: post #21

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Individual countries within the EU have their own regulators who make their own enforcement decisions. The EU isn't a super-state and EU law isn't applied by some overarching entity. On a technical level, each country ratifies and applies their own laws in their own ways. Given this, other countries could act on this too, but it's the French regulator who has chosen to do so.

> The EU isn't a super-state and EU law isn't applied by some overarching entity Yes-and-no: the EU Commission serves as the "executive branch" ( Americanisms... ) of the EU, and while the EU isn't a true federal superstate union yet , but there's enough similarities that the EU Commission probably does 80% of the work it would be doing if the EU were. While the majority of EU directives are enforced by member states…

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by closewith »

DaiPlusPlus wrote: post #36
xnorswap wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Individual countries within the EU have their own regulators who make their own enforcement decisions. The EU isn't a super-state and EU law isn't applied by some overarching entity. On a technical level, each country ratifies and applies their own laws in their own ways. Given this, other countries could act on this too, but it's the French regulator who has chosen to do so.

> The EU isn't a super-state and EU law isn't applied by some overarching entity Yes-and-no: the EU Commission serves as the "executive branch" ( Americanisms... ) of the EU, and while the EU isn't a true federal superstate union yet , but there's enough similarities that the EU Commission probably does 80% of the work it would be doing if the EU were. While the majority of EU directives are enforced by member states…

The EU is not and never (on human time scales) will be, as there is no appetite for a federal union in many member states and unanimity would be required.
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