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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Individual countries within the EU have their own regulators who make their own enforcement decisions. The EU isn't a super-state and EU law isn't applied by some overarching entity. On a technical level, each country ratifies and applies their own laws in their own ways. Given this, other countries could act on this too, but it's the French regulator who has chosen to do so.

> The EU isn't a super-state and EU law isn't applied by some overarching entity Yes-and-no: the EU Commission serves as the "executive branch" ( Americanisms... ) of the EU, and while the EU isn't a true federal superstate union yet , but there's enough similarities that the EU Commission probably does 80% of the work it would be doing if the EU were. While the majority of EU directives are enforced by member states…

> there is now an EU public prosecution

That only prosecutes the misuse of EU funds (and perhaps the EU VAT border regime?) and even then only with cooperation with local prosecutors. In addition, the EU prosecutors are from the participating member states - several EU members are not yet participating.

> EU Commission probably does 80% of the work it would be doing if the EU were.

It's very far from that; notably health-and-safety enforcement is largely in the jurisdiction of members states.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #35

Wait so the phones cause cancer people were right?

The WHO said so: https://www.iarc.who.int/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/pr208_E.... (Not that I trust the WHO, but just saying)

The WHO said that it's a possibility. Group 2B classification is extremely precautionary and includes a lot of scary-sounding chemicals, but also a lot of quite ordinary things like aloe vera and kimchi. Many licensed medicines and permitted food additives are classified in Group 2B - while there's a possibility that they may be carcinogenic, there isn't enough evidence to justify withdrawing those products from the market.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #15

Why only the french market then? Shouldn't they withdraw from all EU markets?

Individual countries within the EU have their own regulators who make their own enforcement decisions. The EU isn't a super-state and EU law isn't applied by some overarching entity. On a technical level, each country ratifies and applies their own laws in their own ways. Given this, other countries could act on this too, but it's the French regulator who has chosen to do so.

> The EU isn't a super-state

True whatever that means :)

> and EU law isn't applied by some overarching entity.

It is. EU law as a whole is ultimately applied by an entity, the Court of Justice of the European Union. It is overarching, over national courts, over national governments, and over EU bodies.

Then within EU law, you have several branches and distribution of who has authority etc. Primary EU law is the foundational basis (some would say a "constitution" effectively even though the word has been a political minefield) and does provide some "overarching entity" in some areas.

Then within Secondaru EU law, you have regulations, orders, directives, etc. Many regulations and orders have an EU overarching entity, and in many cases the European Commission has a central role.

> On a technical level, each country ratifies and applies their own laws in their own ways.

That is a gross mischaracterisation and overgeneralization of EU Directives.

EU Directives as a general rule* don't have "direct effect" in a Member State. They set a goal agreed at the EU level, and the Member State are bound to implement the means in their national laws to reach the goal. That usually (but not always) means at a national level the adoption of a legal act by national Parliament.

*as a general rule because as always there are exceptions.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #22

Apple has denied those findings. > Apple said it had provided ANFR with multiple Apple and independent third-party lab results proving its compliance with all applicable SAR regulations and standards in the world. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-disputes-french-fin...

Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

#46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd suggest standing under the sun, great way to absorb radiation :).

I think the parent comment was poking fun at apple telling consumers they were holding the phones wrong, back when the case was part of the antenna and calls would drop.

Ahhh, another instance of Poe's law.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

#47

Wait so the phones cause cancer people were right?

Not right, but influential on EU regulators. Hopefully EU citizens find such results as a mark of shame rather than pride and move towards fact-based policy. Emotion-based policy is dangerous.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

#48

Wait so the phones cause cancer people were right?

They're measuring absorbed watts and saying it's over the regulatory limit. Where does cancer come in?

Why do you think there's a regulatory limit in the first place?

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're measuring absorbed watts and saying it's over the regulatory limit. Where does cancer come in?

Why do you think there's a regulatory limit in the first place?

An abundance of caution.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

#50
post #30

Damn that's dangerous level of radiation, why this was only discovered recently?

Its 43% higher than the limit. And as Apple is denying the claims id be interested to see what other bodies measure it at.

> Its 43% higher than the limit. And as Apple is denying the claims id be interested to see what other bodies measure it at.

I'm sure Apple did some measurments in an approved laboratory. /s

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