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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by jwells89 »

paulmd wrote: post #181
lagrange77 wrote: post #145

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I thought this whole EM radiation fear was bogus. How does it even interact with the body? There are obviously no neutrons flying around..

it is, and the french are kinda catering to the wackos by letting them tinker with the EU/FCC standards. unsurprisingly when you place the phones closer than normal, you get a higher measurement, and if you do not adjust the absorption limits then wow, it's over the limit! scary! but there's no particular reason to think that this new, effectively lower absorption limit correlates to any particular health risk, or th…

In some countries cell phones became ubiquitous even earlier, like in Japan where they started taking off in the 90s (~1 million phones by 1991, 10 million by 1995, 50 million by 1999).

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Post by oblio »

sneak wrote: post #190
oblio wrote: post #152

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Europe's population (and EU's, if you compare the sum of current member state populations) is basically flat since 1995. Ergo the increase in cases means an increase in rate.

If growth (ie the first derivative) is flat (which means a steady rate of increase) then an increase of cases does not mean an increase in rate.

Thank you for the 10th grade math lesson, I've edited my previous comment.

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Post by xcdzvyn »

FredPret wrote: post #187
danwee wrote: post #161

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We are mother nature and mother nature is us. It's all intertwined. An iPhone is as natural as a banana (earth -> tree -> banana, earth -> human -> iphone). The unnatural would be, by definition, impossible.

This is a very important truth to keep in mind and an interesting new thought for most. Either humans are unique and non-animal, or we and all our works are as natural as anthills and bird nests.

Yes, humans are unique.

> The way things are, the totality of all things in the physical universe and their order, especially the physical world in contrast to spiritual realms and flora and fauna as distinct from human conventions, art, and technology.[0]

Without this exception "natural" loses all meaning; nothing would be considered artificial because everything inevitably comes from the earth.

[0] https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/nature

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by wirrbel »

bee_rider wrote: post #157
baz00 wrote: post #40

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This doesn't surprise me. It's not unusual to find completely different results from "accredited" labs despite the test methodologies being the same.

How are these labs accredited? Sounds like France has a problem with some labs or possibly an accreditation organization I guess.

If the labs use a round robin method for validation of their testing methods the quality of their measurements should be high, shouldn’t they? In other words, who is validating apple’s labs?

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Post by wongarsu »

hedora wrote: post #173
XorNot wrote: post #154

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To produce thermal heating. The RF radiation fear trades off the word "radiation" and how no one actually knows what that means.

Unshielded microwave ovens definitely cause cancer. The energy penetrates the skin, and some of it plays billiards with the atoms in DNA, genetic transcription machinery, etc. I can’t find a study because the internet is full of blog spam saying your microwave oven has shielding that keeps emissions to a safe level (of course), and studies looking at microwave radiation exposure near the cell phone limit, not 1000x h…

I thought unshielded microwave ovens are a problem because they heat stuff, and humans operate quite close to their thermal maximum. If you're at the upper end of normal body temperatures, a change of just 8°F/4°C can bring you from normal operating temperature to cell damage.

That and interfering with wifi.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Post by greyman »

robertlagrant wrote: post #169
sk7 wrote: post #83

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From the article: > The mobile phones were tested by an accredited laboratory, which allows the ANFR to ensure that the SAR values comply with European regulation.

Sure, but the "accredited" in accredited laboratory is itself a paperwork audit-based process. This is how you get your own paperwork as a manufacturer to give to an auditor to say "Look at our paperwork". It doesn't mean the regulator is somehow testing things itself.

How do you know that? The article says they measured it is 5,74 W/kg, which Apple disagrees with. So in which paper would that number appear?

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Post by pjerem »

mardifoufs wrote: post #172
Varloom wrote: post #45

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Do you honestly expect that they would admit it and face millions of lawsuits ?

France has a huge "cellular EM waves are bad" movement so I wouldn't trust them about this either. It's weird that they are the only country where these iPhones seem to misbehave.

> France has a huge "cellular EM waves are bad" movement

What ?

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Post by greyman »

justinclift wrote: post #6
Uftos wrote: post #2

Just the day when it's no more available on apple.com cause of the iphone 15 announcement, what a coincidence

Yeah. This bit sounds like a catch though: As for those telephones that are already in use, Apple must adopt all necessary corrective measures to bring the telephones into conformity as soon as possible, otherwise, Apple will have to recall the equipment.

BTW, how is that technically possible, they will force customers to use certain types of case?

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Post by hedora »

kube-system wrote: post #178
hedora wrote: post #173

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Unshielded microwave ovens definitely cause cancer. The energy penetrates the skin, and some of it plays billiards with the atoms in DNA, genetic transcription machinery, etc. I can’t find a study because the internet is full of blog spam saying your microwave oven has shielding that keeps emissions to a safe level (of course), and studies looking at microwave radiation exposure near the cell phone limit, not 1000x h…

Ionizing radiation damages DNA. But microwaves do not emit any ionizing radiation. For a microwave to damage your DNA it would have to burn your flesh. Then you wouldn't be worried about cancer, you'd be worried that you just microwaved your arm until it started burning.

It can heat below the nerve endings.
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