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iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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What would Mother Nature think of all this?

We are mother nature and mother nature is us. It's all intertwined. An iPhone is as natural as a banana (earth -> tree -> banana, earth -> human -> iphone). The unnatural would be, by definition, impossible.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Worth noting that this is due to the French regulators applying the same SAR absorption standard as the rest of the EU but at a closer distance. Obviously radiation follows the inverse square law so this means you absorb more radiation in France ;) Even despite this reduced allowable emission the iPhone is barely out of compliance, they will need to reduce power less than 10% or simply get another few millimeters far…

I thought this whole EM radiation fear was bogus. How does it even interact with the body? There are obviously no neutrons flying around..

“Cell phone radiation increases the risk for a number of biological and health disorders, including gliomas and acoustic neuroma brain cancer. Researchers discuss how to reduce the risk of cell phone radiation.”[1]

[1] https://neurosciencenews.com/cellphone-radiation-brain-cance...

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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I thought this whole EM radiation fear was bogus. How does it even interact with the body? There are obviously no neutrons flying around..

What's the link between EM emissions and neutrons?

To my understanding there is no link.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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I believe the concern is that non-ionizing radiation can still warm tissues, and depending on the frequency, these can be deeper than what normal sunlight or IR radiation would reach. Whether a few milliwats of that type of warming are actually cause for concern I don't know, but even if it's bogus, that doesn't mean that regulators will not be enforcing legal maximums anyway.

Is a hot shower illegal in France?

Depends on the medium! I'm fairly certain that a high-energy microwave shower would indeed be illegal.

Both frequency and amplitude matter; reductive arguments like this will convince neither laypeople nor people with some understanding of physics.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Apple has denied those findings. > Apple said it had provided ANFR with multiple Apple and independent third-party lab results proving its compliance with all applicable SAR regulations and standards in the world. https://www.reuters.com/technology/apple-disputes-french-fin...

If this sounds familiar it's because accredited labs made a similar claims about the iPhone 7/8 and then again the iPhone 11.

In each case it was the lab using an incorrect methodology.

I wouldn't be surprised if that's what's happened here. There is a canyon of technical knowhow between RF engineers and testing labs.

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What's the link between EM emissions and neutrons?

To my understanding there is no link.

Once again, it all depends on the frequency! Gamma radiation is EM radiation and can cause nuclear fission [1], which in turn can release neutron radiation.

I'm fairly certain that no iPhone model to date emits gamma radiation, though.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photofission

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I thought this whole EM radiation fear was bogus. How does it even interact with the body? There are obviously no neutrons flying around..

I believe the concern is that non-ionizing radiation can still warm tissues, and depending on the frequency, these can be deeper than what normal sunlight or IR radiation would reach. Whether a few milliwats of that type of warming are actually cause for concern I don't know, but even if it's bogus, that doesn't mean that regulators will not be enforcing legal maximums anyway.

> these can be deeper than what normal sunlight or IR radiation would reach

Oh right, i did't think about the penetration depth.

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I thought this whole EM radiation fear was bogus. How does it even interact with the body? There are obviously no neutrons flying around..

“Cell phone radiation increases the risk for a number of biological and health disorders, including gliomas and acoustic neuroma brain cancer. Researchers discuss how to reduce the risk of cell phone radiation.”[1] [1] https://neurosciencenews.com/cellphone-radiation-brain-cance...

To put it lightly, this isn't a well supported theory.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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I doubt it works this way. Regulatory bodies check your paperwork. They don't test things themselves.

From the article: > The mobile phones were tested by an accredited laboratory, which allows the ANFR to ensure that the SAR values comply with European regulation.

Sure, but the "accredited" in accredited laboratory is itself a paperwork audit-based process. This is how you get your own paperwork as a manufacturer to give to an auditor to say "Look at our paperwork". It doesn't mean the regulator is somehow testing things itself.

Re: iPhone 12 withdrawn from French market for non-compliance with EU regulation

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

To my understanding there is no link.

Once again, it all depends on the frequency! Gamma radiation is EM radiation and can cause nuclear fission [1], which in turn can release neutron radiation. I'm fairly certain that no iPhone model to date emits gamma radiation, though. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photofission

Interesting, thanks!
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