This makes me mad because I actually do like Windows. I don't understand the need to make it crappy considering their market share.
Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users
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Win10 requires a lot of tweaking to make it usable. Win11 just requires more. I'm guessing every windows version going forward will be on the same escalator. When it's un-tweakable it'll be time for me to go.
Windows 10 Enterprise LTSC. Smooth as butter, I love it. No app store, none of that candy crush stuff. Its what I expected Windows to be. Its a shame that I considered myself a power user but only learnt about it 2 years back.
Of course, the only way to get it seems to be to pirate it. Is there a recommended way to do this? My partner isn't ready to give up on Windows yet and I'm trying to find the least bad path.
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> Somehow we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this A vendor of a web browser and email client, sure. A vendor of an operating system and one (or both) of a web browser and an email client, hell no. If anything, an operating system should be forced _not_ to tightly integrate to vendor-specific apps and instead should provide integration loosely and in a way…
Well, everyone has their view, I don't think I'm any more right than you. You can give a technical definition of an OS from a CS textbook, but ultimately all of these are consumer/retail products created to benefit the end-user, not so much to create a technical design masterpiece. But that is just my view. I tend to side on the practical aspects more than design purity.
> I tend to side on the practical aspects more than design purity.
I do too, but as someone who doesn't use Outlook or Edge, having those two specific products integrate doesn't give me any practical benefits, whereas having the OS try to force products like Edge that I don't use on me because they happen to also be made by Microsoft gets in the way of me just trying to use a computer the way I want.
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> Somehow we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this A vendor of a web browser and email client, sure. A vendor of an operating system and one (or both) of a web browser and an email client, hell no. If anything, an operating system should be forced _not_ to tightly integrate to vendor-specific apps and instead should provide integration loosely and in a way…
At a certain point, you’re pretty much asking for socialism. No one should be obligated to build an entire operating system that works on billion combination of potential parts, and then cater to everyone else so that they get the native experience in every way integrating with the OS. Obviously, I want the best experience as an end-user. But I think it’s ridiculous, at a certain point you should have to invest the b…
The comment I was responding to asserted "we need to find a balance that allows vendors to tightly integrate their apps but prevent abusing this". My response argued that no, we don't actually need this. I don't think that being unwilling to go out of my way to find a way to support a business model I don't like is socialism because I don't happen to be a billionaire making a competing problem; if anything, you're arguing that I shouldn't use my power as a consumer to choose products that I like to influence the marketplace, and that's a far more anti-capitalist message than anything I've expressed here.
Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users
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Well, everyone has their view, I don't think I'm any more right than you. You can give a technical definition of an OS from a CS textbook, but ultimately all of these are consumer/retail products created to benefit the end-user, not so much to create a technical design masterpiece. But that is just my view. I tend to side on the practical aspects more than design purity.
> I tend to side on the practical aspects more than design purity. I do too, but as someone who doesn't use Outlook or Edge, having those two specific products integrate doesn't give me any practical benefits, whereas having the OS try to force products like Edge that I don't use on me because they happen to also be made by Microsoft gets in the way of me just trying to use a computer the way I want.
Oh yeah, I completely understand. I'm not necessarily in favor of forced bundling. All I'm saying is that sometimes there are benefits when there is a single vendor who can do tight integrations. Apple being the other obvious example with their (supposedly) seamless hardware ecosystem integration.
In theory, something like Linux has a good model with multiple distributions, with each making different choices for the end-user. In practice, only a handful of distributions get any kind of traction and/or support.
Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users
#467The only time I've felt Edge was forced on my was MS Teams has its own browser binding and defaulted to Edge. Otherwise? The system-level "firefox is my browser" seems to be working fine.
I just got Teams autoinstalled without warning on an earlier version of W11 for which it was not present.
Promptly uninstalled it since I have no use for Teams.
I don't think Windows is very suitable for the internet anyway, but I really did like last year's Edge for its built-in PDF handler. That's all I used Edge for, certainly not browsing the web, but for some reason I connected anyway and in came Teams.
Now that the excellent old Edge PDF reader has been replaced by a built-in Adobe joint effort, Edge is now more useless than ever.
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Ubuntu is now bundling advertisements for their paid services in apt upgrade output and the GUI software sources manager, in packages which cannot be uninstalled because they're hard dependencies of the `ubuntu-desktop` metapackage. Plus they've replaced Firefox with a package which installs a Snap, which loads so slowly they added a "snap opened" notification.
Do you mean you should just stick with Windows because Ubuntu now prints a line in your console when you apt-get upgrade telling you that Ubuntu Pro exists?
You should pick Linux Mint or another Linux distribution (if you can make it work for your use cases), and avoid both Windows and Ubuntu when they're built to act against the user's best interests.
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I just set up Windows and spent an entire week googling how to tame it. Turns out dism.exe at the CLI is required to make it free up 20 to 30GB! of disk space it was wasting. Many, many hours and late nights figuring out how to turn off telemetry, Edge and more. Multiple Group policy editor settings to force it to do what is asked and no more. For some reason updates and uninstalls take forever and uninstalls can’t b…
2TB 2.5" SATA SSDs are $61. 2TB M.2 2280 NVMe SSDs are $63. Why are you worried about 20-30 GB again??
Bandwidth - was building a VM. A 10GB VM is much more convenient than 40GB one, to move copy, share, run from network drive etc.
And yes, a few older drives are kinda small here. Laptop vendors overcharge on storage so most of ours have a half TB, which goes fast.
We could buy a number of new drives, or we could look up an esoteric CLI and free up 30g.
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Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer. And sheesh, dude, how many alts do you have?
I don't know what an alt is. And this is not user machines, it's not like they can't run Word on their desktops, this impacts RDP hosts, machines that use an office backend for server based programs, etc. Hospitals, accounting firms, etc all will be heavily impacted by this.
Ah. There's the difference. In our organization, users edit documents on personal desktops, laptops (and sometimes mobile phones and tablets.)