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Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by topaz0 »

dspillett wrote: post #289
Novosell wrote: post #213

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Windows key+E opens explorer. Or do you mean that it's so slow that it takes several seconds?

On my work machine (approx 4 years old, Win10) and home machine (mostly 2 years old, graphics card, a 1060/6GB is more elderly, Win10) both take most of a second to bring up a fresh Explorer window, timing by eye from Win+E to the whole UI being present. It seems far more variable (sometimes feeling quicker, sometimes taking a couple of seconds) on my laptop ( Several seconds sounds like an exaggeration, but it never…

Several seconds is not an exaggeration. The window appears quickly enough, but then spins for several seconds (there's a progress bar in the path field) before showing any file. Win11 personal, on a brand new, middle-of-the-road desktop.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by Jedd »

erremerre wrote: post #335
Jedd wrote: post #292

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> The main problem with Debian is outdated software. I'm a Debian user. I see this a lot. Often in contrast with Ubuntu. Yet Debian's cycle is roughly on par with Ubuntu's LTS - every ~2 years.[0] Perhaps they mean there are interim releases in Ubuntu? It's hard to say for sure, as the phrase 'outdated software' can mean different things (more than 6 months old, more than 2 years old, in need of a security patch for…

Isn't Debian Testing also more outdated when compared against the main distros ubuntu/fedora/opensuse? It used to be the case in 2010, but that is 13 years ago...

I use Debian, so I have no idea how main distros of ubuntu/fedora/opensuse work, or what versions of things they offer, and how that might compare to Debian testing.

The nice thing is, though, all that information is freely available if you wanted to compare.

I can save you a little bit of time by noting that the criteria for a package being promoted from Debian Unstable into Debian Testing has been honed over the years, and is the reason why a lot of people settle on Debian Testing for their day to day machines:

   The package has been in "unstable" at least for 2-10 days (depending on the urgency of the upload).
   The package has been built for all the architectures which the present version in testing was built for.
   Installing the package into testing will not make the distribution more uninstallable.
   The package does not introduce new release critical bugs.
If there's absolutely positively definitely a version of something you want that's in unstable, but not testing, and you are unwilling to wait a week or two before it turns up in Testing - you can usually just download the package and install it with little risk of conflict (presently or subsequently).

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by cutler »

oefrha wrote: post #301

Last time I tested an extension of mine on Edge, I counted four or five distinct ways Windows and Edge tried to convince or coax me into setting Edge as default. (Coaxing includes but isn’t limited to full-screen one-click “finish setting up your computer” on boot which includes adopting “Microsoft-recommended” browser security settings which of course means resetting the default browser. It appeared on every reboot…

It always surprised me how even savvy devs bought WSL as proof of Microsoft's good intentions. If you lived through Microsoft's antics in the 90s and 00s you could never imagine them changing. Well, here's the proof - they haven't. WSL was introduced purely to grab a piece of the expanding Linux market and followed their attempts to extort money from Red Hat and Suse via their bogus Linux patents racket.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by postexitus »

TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #356

All these comments about coercing Windows into some semblance of usability. After several years of not having a PC, I recently bought a new one to use Windows to play ONE game that several of my other friends play on it, and it has been extraordinarily frustrating to configure. From the on-topic charade of browser choice, to denying Microsoft's many attempts to take over several other defaults, or install Office, to…

Just out of curiosity, what is that game that convinced you to switch to a different hardware/OS? Must be the killer app.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by docmars »

midasuni wrote: post #331
isanjay wrote: post #291

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Big businesses buy politicians too...

The usual solution from libertarian techies is to remove what little power democratic governments have and let big business be unchecked other than some “invisible hand” from a collection of individual actors who can’t scale due to psychological warfare that big companies can easily scale to. We are now at a point that billionaires openly make unilateral decisions about foreign and defence policy with little discussi…

Unfortunately it's a Catch 22, because the most influential billionaires have direct ties to Establishment politicians, supporting and manipulating them freely to their liking, including brazen election interference, in which the same Establishment players all admitted to existing not long ago, while judges and district attorneys in their respective states have also been bought out by these same billionaires in an effort to squash these claims when raised by anti-Establishment players.

We need anti-Establishment players who are already willing to confront these billionaires by cutting off their influence completely, rather than taxing them more — which is useless, and conveniently replaces their contributions with tax dollars that can be used for the same manipulation strategies.

The bad news is, any criticism of these particular billionaires results in synthesized media campaigns crying wolf about anti-Semitism or anti-science, which causes the public to become distracted over manufactured culture wars, while the root issues go unchecked and the politicians willing to confront these billionaires are smeared, drawn, and quartered by the same media and voters who wouldn't dare to think outside their box.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by post_break »

retrocryptid wrote: post #104
post_break wrote: post #40

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It's like saying I'm having engine trouble on my big rig, and you telling me about how you upgraded your tennis shoes.

Don't ask the question if you don't want the answer. And sheesh, dude, how many alts do you have?

I don't know what an alt is. And this is not user machines, it's not like they can't run Word on their desktops, this impacts RDP hosts, machines that use an office backend for server based programs, etc. Hospitals, accounting firms, etc all will be heavily impacted by this.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by tallanvor »

ubermonkey wrote: post #360
TheRealDunkirk wrote: post #356

All these comments about coercing Windows into some semblance of usability. After several years of not having a PC, I recently bought a new one to use Windows to play ONE game that several of my other friends play on it, and it has been extraordinarily frustrating to configure. From the on-topic charade of browser choice, to denying Microsoft's many attempts to take over several other defaults, or install Office, to…

IME, people who insist that Windows is somehow "better" are people with only a very very shallow level of experience with it, and who have zero or near-zero experience with Macs or well-configured Linux. But they're a LOT of those people, and so it gets repeated.

Macs aren't for everyone.

I had a Macbook Air back in the days where they still came with spinning drives, and after dealing with random freezes for months, I finally discovered that the drive was failing despite there not being any warnings displayed. It was only when trying to upgrade to the next version of the OS that it told me it couldn't install on a failing drive... But it would have happily let me keep using the system without letting me know about it!

Don't get me started on the people at the Apple service center not understanding SMART status....

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by stoycho_st »

sandworm101 wrote: post #304

Every day of bad new for Microsoft and Windows is another great day for Linux. You all have a choice. Make it.

I am still Win 10 user for my home laptop, but was thinking that it's about time to try the Linux OS, as most of my friends did a long time ago.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by bmicraft »

anothernewdude wrote: post #144
sam345 wrote: post #106

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I believe it. I've used linux desktops for 20 years also and command line is definitely a must on a daily basis. Ive also used Windows and agree that it just fades into background. Windows 10/11 definitely less paiinful on the desktop. These days with better integration with and tools for Linux cli, Windows is definitely my preferred gui productivity environment. Many Linux fans don't know better or won't admit it be…

Nonsense. They've moved so much stuff about all my windows knowledge from 7 is useless. You'll be in the same spot when 12 comes out.

I'm generally onboard with hating on windows, but windows 7 was 14 years ago. (Almost) everything software realted has changed in that time, not just Windows.

Re: Microsoft has not stopped forcing Edge on Windows 11 users

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Post by bluecheese452 »

sneak wrote: post #340
midasuni wrote: post #331

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The usual solution from libertarian techies is to remove what little power democratic governments have and let big business be unchecked other than some “invisible hand” from a collection of individual actors who can’t scale due to psychological warfare that big companies can easily scale to. We are now at a point that billionaires openly make unilateral decisions about foreign and defence policy with little discussi…

I think this is curve-fitting. Billionaires in the USA are completely and totally beholden to the military-industrial complex, for the most part. Look how they all scrambled for JEDI, for example. The US military alone spends the entire net worth of the richest private person in 17 weeks, wealth it took him 30-ish years to accumulate; that's not counting the rest of government spending. There's an argument that any s…

A senator is not richer than the richest person in the country. Neither in money nor influence.
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