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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by VoodooJuJu »

huntertwo wrote: post #111
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

You realize that would cause countless death _today_ if you don’t replace the oil with something else? People will starve, become homeless, and maybe anarchy will reign. Not just in the developed world but globally.

They may never explicitly admit this, but proponents of "just stop using oil" do intend the mass death outcome. Of course, they have nothing but Good Intentions, these people believe that a steep drop-off in population is inevitable, and they'd rather effect it sooner than later.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by datameta »

moffkalast wrote: post #61
badtension wrote: post #7

> It was the hottest August on record – by a large margin – and the second hottest ever month after July 2023, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service ERA 5 dataset. August as a whole is estimated to have been around 1.5°C warmer than the preindustrial average for 1850-1900, according to the C3S monthly climate bulletin. Thinking about getting to 1.5 C averaged over the planet is surreal and we are still 3…

The more you think about it the more it becomes plainly obvious how unfathomably screwed we genuinely are.

If policies don't drastically change. Just imagine norwegian electric car subsidies but happening everywhere decades straight - for solar, wind, tidal, battery, pumped water stations, sand batteries. Perhaps a Sahara -> Europe solar megaproject (I remember a good discussion on HN about that).

Separately, I wonder if a geoengineering megaproject is more likely to be funded than small incremental changes due to politicians perceiving more immediate ROI, peer clout, and poll ratings.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by jmondi »

edhelas wrote: post #143
zx8080 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be sure, are you proposing killing people today so that they don't die tomorrow?

Because eating less meat, stop taking the plane, reducing our consumption level, replacing cars with bikes and trains and other stuff like that seems radical to you ?

The OP you replied to implied that we need to completely tank the economy to do anything. It just “stop taking the plane” and “eating less meat”.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by osigurdson »

frob wrote: post #42
polotics wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What do you mean exactly?

Let's not beat around the bush. This is standard climate change denialism. It's the trope that there is nothing here to worry about because, who knows, the earth COULD have been warmer in the past and it still exists now. It's the same logic that would say that you've decelerated from 60 mph to 0 before without an issue, so you should be just fine after slamming your car into a brick wall.

Let's turn this into a simple debate. How many people will die per 100K per year per degree above per-industrial levels in your estimation? By what percentage will GDP per capita be impacted by the same metric? Instead of entrenching climate change denier / alarmist tribes, let's just discuss models.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by WinLychee »

badtension wrote: post #7

> It was the hottest August on record – by a large margin – and the second hottest ever month after July 2023, according to the Copernicus Climate Change Service ERA 5 dataset. August as a whole is estimated to have been around 1.5°C warmer than the preindustrial average for 1850-1900, according to the C3S monthly climate bulletin. Thinking about getting to 1.5 C averaged over the planet is surreal and we are still 3…

What's even better is that net zero isn't doing anything for _already emitted carbon_, or the already accumulated heat energy. We can get to net zero and average temperature is still going to keep rising.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by RandomLensman »

edhelas wrote: post #143
zx8080 wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just to be sure, are you proposing killing people today so that they don't die tomorrow?

Because eating less meat, stop taking the plane, reducing our consumption level, replacing cars with bikes and trains and other stuff like that seems radical to you ?

No more air travel is very radical!

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by Projectiboga »

echelon wrote: post #4

We're technically still in an ice age [1]. How far does this need to go to reach the end of that ice age [2]? The Cretaceous period was over ten degrees warmer than our current period [3,4,5]. It supported a lot (though much different) biodiversity. How long would it take us to push into these temperature ranges? And how long to exceed them? How much species diversity will we lose at each half degree increment from t…

Here is a climate professor's site he and his associates are warning of imminent mass human extinction. https://arctic-news.blogspot.com/ Dig back through his posts they are horrifying.

Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by marginallen »

huntertwo wrote: post #111
jokoon wrote: post #98

It's odd how everytime somebody mentions slashing oil production by 50 or 75%, people are immediately up in arms. Same for red meat or cheap air travel. Western rich countries have too many really spoiled consumers. It's weird to say, but we should crash the economy if it can slow down climate change. I mean there are plenty people in other parts of the world who don't have such a high standard of living, and it's no…

You realize that would cause countless death _today_ if you don’t replace the oil with something else? People will starve, become homeless, and maybe anarchy will reign. Not just in the developed world but globally.

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by [deleted] »

stavros wrote: post #123
jmondi wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And what about all the countries that won’t do anything regardless? So we should just tank our own economy while being unable to do anything about our neighbors? It won’t take tanking the economy, it would take world war 3.

> So we should just tank our own economy while being unable to do anything about our neighbors? Yes.

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Re: Earth had hottest 3-months on record; unprecedented sea temps & extreme weather

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Post by [deleted] »

dtech wrote: post #124
ZeroFries wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Have you done the cost:benefit analysis? Curious what makes you so confident that "crashing the economy" (you're aware of all the excess death and despair this would cause?) is the best move here.

I mean it's pretty obvious that our current situation is already causing death and despair (droughts, wildfires, hurricanes) and this will only increase on our current trajectory.

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