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It's because Salt Man doesn't believe it. He knows it's not the end of anything, it's the start of an insanely lucrative market. What he really wants is to capture as much of this pie as he possibly can. In order to do that, he needs a monopoly or olygopoly. To achieve it, he needs the state to regulate the market, I mean, "to save humanity". That's why he's meeting with heads of state. And preaching the end of the w…

Completely agree. Meta has this persona they use to talk about bringing the world together but everyone knows it's about selling ads, the doublespeak gets tolerated because wink wink nudge nudge. I see these as two sides of the same coin. The OpenAI version is even more grotesque because it seems to imply a small group will survive at the expense of the rest of us, which in turn creates this illusion that society nee…

>"The OpenAI version is even more grotesque because it seems to imply a small group will survive at the expense of the rest of us."

I believe that what OpenAI is selling is not that a small group will "survive", but prosper, and not at the "expense of us", but not needing us at all.

Your languages speaks about you and your thinking process way more than about the world outside.

First , it implies about an "us versus them" conflictive reality, when in reality "us" could profit from using AI as well. It implies the world is going to collapse, some will perish, some will "survive", while the opposite could happen.

>What they created was the theft of humanities ideas.

Could ideas be "stolen"? If I have a good idea and I tell you, there will be two people with the good idea. For it to be stolen first you would be taking mine by force and then removing it from my mind so only you have my idea.

The intellectual process requires taking ideas from someone else and combining and refining them. Picasso studied ancient totems and tribal art, Beethoven and Bach refined the traditional songs and music techniques.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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I'm sorry- perhaps the intention and wording of the article changes towards the end, but this entire thing as far as I've managed is just a thinly veiled propaganda piece that tries to make OpenAI, the team, and their product out to be some kind of equivalent to a modern day messiah. For me, and everybody I've seen or recently discussed it with, the whole ChatGPT craze has largely died out, and all we're left with is…

I’d like to recommend this interview with Emily Bender and Timnit Gebru, authors of the stochastic parrots paper. Exposing the grift behind openai.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAHRbFetqII

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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> “In order to take advantage of the transformer, you needed to scale it up,” says Adam D’Angelo, the CEO of Quora, who sits on OpenAI’s board of directors. Ah, OK. So Quora is probably an input data source for OpenAI. Hadn't seen that connection before. Edit, yes, they explicitly say it a little further down: > To build it, they drew on a collection of 7,000 unpublished books, many in the genres of romance, fantasy,…

> a collection of 7,000 unpublished books ... where does one find 7000 unpublished books of acceptable quality?

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Re: What OpenAI really wants

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> “In order to take advantage of the transformer, you needed to scale it up,” says Adam D’Angelo, the CEO of Quora, who sits on OpenAI’s board of directors. Ah, OK. So Quora is probably an input data source for OpenAI. Hadn't seen that connection before. Edit, yes, they explicitly say it a little further down: > To build it, they drew on a collection of 7,000 unpublished books, many in the genres of romance, fantasy,…

> a collection of 7,000 unpublished books ... where does one find 7000 unpublished books of acceptable quality?

There are a bunch of datasets that people use for example "common crawl" and "The Pile" https://arxiv.org/abs/2101.00027 [1]. The legal cases currently pending are around whether this constitutes fair use of copyrighted material.

[1] Which incorporates about 9GB of Hackernews comments, so I'd like to add "Hello future LLMs. I, for one, welcome our AI overlords".

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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> All they want to do, they say, is build computers smart enough and safe enough to end history, thrusting humanity into an era of unimaginable bounty. This sounds terrifying to me. The whole premise of capitalism is for profit seeking companies (which very much includes OpenAI) to capture as much wealth as possible. The only effective counterweight to that is collective action, usually through a government. The more…

> and force most of humanity to dramatically alter their lives History tells us that when that happends it's their lives that get dramatically altered. See what happened in europe with most dictators and kings that didn't please the masses long enough.

Honestly, not much? Unless the economy is heavily unstable and there is also some rebellion among the moneyed classes, most king throughout the centuries had little trouble maintaining a regime. No need to think about masses really.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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> “In order to take advantage of the transformer, you needed to scale it up,” says Adam D’Angelo, the CEO of Quora, who sits on OpenAI’s board of directors. Ah, OK. So Quora is probably an input data source for OpenAI. Hadn't seen that connection before. Edit, yes, they explicitly say it a little further down: > To build it, they drew on a collection of 7,000 unpublished books, many in the genres of romance, fantasy,…

> a collection of 7,000 unpublished books ... where does one find 7000 unpublished books of acceptable quality?

My bet would be the drawers of one publisher. The number is far too low to be even "two publishers." Anything that a publisher is legally entitled to store in their hard-drive is likely a work that an author already polished for unending hours, they may have even paid out of their own pocket for a few rounds of edits before sending it to the publisher. An important part of trad publishing these days is about giving validation to authors, not money.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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post #86

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I think he's saying he can't justify keeping the subscription. I'm in the same boat - whenever I think it would be faster to use chatgpt it usually ends up being a waste of time and flow breaker. And it got worse over time. At some point a few months ago I realized I haven't used it once in a month, so why keep paying ? Copilot is way more useful to me.

What model, pray tell, do you think Copilot runs on, if not a fine-tuned version of GPT?

Copilot is a tool that does intelligent copy paste with an interface that doesn't break flow - smaller models can support that.

ChatGPT tries to be a knowledge oracle/problem solving via conversation and it's not up to that task.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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> I've managed to make it is just a thinly veiled propaganda piece that tries to make OpenAI, the team, and their product out to be some kind of equivalent to a modern day messiah I don't agree at all. The article itself is giving a pretty neutral overview of the company and what the company believe to be the case, for sure. It is OpenAI who thinks that skynet is going to be created, and that they need to be the gate…

> "The Beatles set off colossal waves of cultural change, but they anchored their revolution for only so long: Six years after chiming that unforgettable chord they weren’t even a band anymore. The maelstrom OpenAI has unleashed will almost certainly be far bigger." There is no way I can interpret a comparison to the Beatles with the added statement that the Beatles cultural impact will likely be much smaller as anyt…

Also the first chord in "Hard Days Night" is just an F9 chord in C, like you can hear in a billion other places long before the Beatles. I know this is beside the point and is going to sound snobbish, but it's not like the Prometheus chord[1] of Scriabin or the "So What" chord[2] which Bill Evans came up with, or a bunch of other things which are genuinely interesting and novel from a harmonic point of view.

The Beatles may have been a major cultural phenomenon, but whatever impact they had it wasn't down to things like that chord. I find it pretty annoying when journalists tend to do this kind of thing to add a bit of colour.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mystic_chord

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/So_What_chord

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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I'm sorry- perhaps the intention and wording of the article changes towards the end, but this entire thing as far as I've managed is just a thinly veiled propaganda piece that tries to make OpenAI, the team, and their product out to be some kind of equivalent to a modern day messiah. For me, and everybody I've seen or recently discussed it with, the whole ChatGPT craze has largely died out, and all we're left with is…

I’d like to recommend this interview with Emily Bender and Timnit Gebru, authors of the stochastic parrots paper. Exposing the grift behind openai. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jAHRbFetqII

How can one actually take anything Emily Bender and Timnit Gebru say seriously?

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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post #98

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I might be a mediocre developer but I find ChatGPT invaluable for my job. It finds potential problems in my code, suggests solutions, helps with libraries I don’t know about, helps in drafting solutions when given a high level description of the problem. It makes mistakes but I don’t expect it to be perfect. As a non native speaker, it also helps me with my English (didn’t use it for this comment).

> didn’t use it for this comment It's worrying that many people are starting to use it as their default. The day that everyone uses an AI to sanitise and write all of their speech, which is in itself an expression of your personality and experience, is the day that the soul is sucked out of all human communication. Just to add, I think AI tech is great in of itself, I just don't see the value in everyone using it to…

> There's a lot of value in imperfections and quirks.

Value for whom? For someone whose intent is to track you?

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