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What OpenAI really wants

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Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by swores »

cushpush wrote: post #39
troupo wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's caused by "a business that loses billions of dollars a year for over a decade isn't a sustainable business" mentality. The US is the exact opposite. Even OpenAI, however amazing it is, is not a business (yet?). It's a money sink.

"Loss-leader" is the term, I believe

No, that's something different.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loss_leader

The thing being talked about doesn't have a widely-used nickname, though "Blitzscaling" is probably the closest.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by guywhocodes »

RC_ITR wrote: post #86
moonchrome wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think he's saying he can't justify keeping the subscription. I'm in the same boat - whenever I think it would be faster to use chatgpt it usually ends up being a waste of time and flow breaker. And it got worse over time. At some point a few months ago I realized I haven't used it once in a month, so why keep paying ? Copilot is way more useful to me.

What model, pray tell, do you think Copilot runs on, if not a fine-tuned version of GPT?

ChatGPT is a product built with models. So is copilot.

GPT and llama are model (families).

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by swores »

mmanciop wrote: post #54
calibas wrote: post #45

Let's not romanticize business too much, they want money.

The just want tons of moneys

Please consider not commenting if you don't have anything interesting to say, it makes the site better if we all try to follow that guideline :)

(The actual official guidelines always worth a read, of course https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html )

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by rurp »

> All they want to do, they say, is build computers smart enough and safe enough to end history, thrusting humanity into an era of unimaginable bounty.

This sounds terrifying to me. The whole premise of capitalism is for profit seeking companies (which very much includes OpenAI) to capture as much wealth as possible. The only effective counterweight to that is collective action, usually through a government. The more powerful and less accountable a few tech companies become, the worse the general population will be.

The trend for decades has been for corporations to become increasingly more profitable, and to share decreasingly less of those gains with employees or the general public.

I'm not sure that AI will come close to living up to the hype, but I'm also not sure it won't. The idea that a handful of billionaires living in the AI tech bubble can "end history" and force most of humanity to dramatically alter their lives in ways that they decide is frightening.

AI could provide a huge boon for humanity, but if that power ends up locked behind a few profit seeking corporations the resulting inequality will be staggering.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by gumballindie »

rurp wrote: post #95

> All they want to do, they say, is build computers smart enough and safe enough to end history, thrusting humanity into an era of unimaginable bounty. This sounds terrifying to me. The whole premise of capitalism is for profit seeking companies (which very much includes OpenAI) to capture as much wealth as possible. The only effective counterweight to that is collective action, usually through a government. The more…

> and force most of humanity to dramatically alter their lives

History tells us that when that happends it's their lives that get dramatically altered. See what happened in europe with most dictators and kings that didn't please the masses long enough.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by lewhoo »

rmbyrro wrote: post #47
blibble wrote: post #40

“It’s rare that an industry raises their hand and says, ‘We are going to be the end of humanity’—and then continues to work on the product with glee and alacrity.” OpenAI rejects this criticism. imagine that for humanity's sake I really hope that Altman is another Elizabeth Holmes

It's because Salt Man doesn't believe it. He knows it's not the end of anything, it's the start of an insanely lucrative market. What he really wants is to capture as much of this pie as he possibly can. In order to do that, he needs a monopoly or olygopoly. To achieve it, he needs the state to regulate the market, I mean, "to save humanity". That's why he's meeting with heads of state. And preaching the end of the w…

> It's because Salt Man doesn't believe it. He knows it's not the end of anything, it's the start of an insanely lucrative market.

Which is such a dick move to be frank. As if the world does not provide enough material to feed your depression or anxiety.

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by pb060 »

ugjka wrote: post #51

> Riding with Altman, I can almost hear the ringing, ambiguous chord that opens “A Hard Day’s Night”—introducing the future. Last November, when OpenAI let loose its monster hit, ChatGPT, it triggered a tech explosion not seen since the internet burst into our lives. Suddenly the Turing test was history, search engines were endangered species, and no college essay could ever be trusted. No job was safe. No scientific…

I might be a mediocre developer but I find ChatGPT invaluable for my job. It finds potential problems in my code, suggests solutions, helps with libraries I don’t know about, helps in drafting solutions when given a high level description of the problem. It makes mistakes but I don’t expect it to be perfect. As a non native speaker, it also helps me with my English (didn’t use it for this comment).

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by methodical »

I'm sorry- perhaps the intention and wording of the article changes towards the end, but this entire thing as far as I've managed is just a thinly veiled propaganda piece that tries to make OpenAI, the team, and their product out to be some kind of equivalent to a modern day messiah. For me, and everybody I've seen or recently discussed it with, the whole ChatGPT craze has largely died out, and all we're left with is the technology as it actually exists without the hype, which turns out to be less useful than it was built up to be.

I'm not sure I can fully articulate just how entirely biased this article came across from my point of view, but I can say that reading line after line of pointless fluff nearly made me want to throw up. The only thing I'm left wondering how much they were payed to write this piece of utterly atrocious propaganda?

Re: What OpenAI really wants

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Post by methodical »

mangecoeur wrote: post #38
beardedwizard wrote: post #33

They want us to believe the hype, all of it. So much fawning in this article I had to stop reading.

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The funny thing is that a video or article about the journo giving him a sexual favor would actually have been more easily digestible than this 9,500 word pile of crap.
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