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Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Post by saalweachter »

sensanaty wrote: post #113
mike_d wrote: post #30

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> The fact that the government pursued Snowden They had to. He broke the law. He would have had the chance to go to trial and defend himself and seek whistleblower protection status. Given the politically charged nature and public opinion at the time, he might have had a pretty fair shake and could have been living comfortably in the US working for the ACLU or something. Instead he plotted an escape to an openly host…

> He would have had the chance to go to trial and defend himself and seek whistleblower protection status... In what universe would the US Gov't not just ship him off to some blacksite on a remote island somewhere and disappear him forever?

Now I'm not going to say the sentence Chelsea Manning received was fair or that I'd be down for going through what she did, or pretend that her life will ever go back to normal, but can we not act like we don't have multiple, recent whistleblower/leakers who have served their time and been released from jail?

For all conspiracy theorists like to talk about it, there is remarkably little disappearing going on in the US, even when intelligence agencies are involved.

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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floorballchamp wrote: post #131
myshpa wrote: post #108

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And if it's in a 'I can't believe they would be doing it, really?' territory (black ops, black sites, torture, drone killings, ...), they make a movie about it, effectively normalizing the action for the audience.

"They"? Is Hollywood now part of Pentagon/NSA/...?

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Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Post by 93po »

SamoyedFurFluff wrote: post #137
Mo3 wrote: post #134

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Hollywood has been influenced by the Pentagon for a long time.

To put more context in this: movies made with military equipment need special approval by the us military, and they will not generally approve “unpatriotic” movies and blacklist studios who do make movies they disapprove of… from Defense dot gov: “ The Defense Department has a long-standing relationship with Hollywood. In fact, it’s been working with filmmakers for nearly 100 years with a goal that’s two-fold: to acc…

If this is information anyone can get by flying a drone around military equipment or buying old equipment offered for sale, this seems like a startling suppression of first amendment rights

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Post by cpursley »

MrYellowP wrote: post #111
bandrami wrote: post #16

The weirdest thing is that Drake had already whistleblown about the program in 2005. It was front page on the NYT and WP. But 8 years later everybody seemed to have completely forgotten that and acted like Snowden was revealing something new.

It's really not weird at all. When the mainstream media doesn't report on something, it's forgotten within days. They dictate what most people think and talk about. Pandora papers? Pleasure Island? What was the name of the woman that got jailed? Do you remember her jail sentence being a joke? What about the list? What was in the news two weeks ago? What was NOT in the news two weeks ago, despite being noteworthy?

Manufacturing Consent is a must read.

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Post by 93po »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #138

I urge everyone interested to read the intel report and tell me what about it is false or inaccurate. https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/snowden_report_... https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/hpsci_snowden_r... > “The Committee further found no evidence that Snowden attempted to communicate concerns about the legality or morality of intelligence activities to any officials, senior or otherwise, dur…

I will tell you that three letter agencies in the US have a proven and undeniable track record of lying incessantly and basically nothing that comes from them can be trusted.

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Post by 93po »

phatfish wrote: post #140
0xDEF wrote: post #96

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>The character assassination of Snowden Well nobody forced him to repeat Russian propaganda in late 2021 and early 2022 that "Russia was totally not going to invade".

I agree he repeats Russian propaganda and it's sad. It diminishes his previously clear and rational portrayal of what he knew of the NSA. It was clear that Russia lining their tanks up on the border and stress testing the Ukrainian response to an invasion was not going to be a bluff. Why give your enemy the chance at trial run? This was the message from US and UK intelligence and they were right. I understand why he…

How often does the US put military equipment on the borders of countries like Russia and China without invading?

All the time

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Post by throw__away7391 »

bandrami wrote: post #16

The weirdest thing is that Drake had already whistleblown about the program in 2005. It was front page on the NYT and WP. But 8 years later everybody seemed to have completely forgotten that and acted like Snowden was revealing something new.

Right, a friend told me about this many years before. She worked on the networking infrastructure and knew what it was being used for. I didn't think much of it at the time and I thought it was common knowledge. When the Snowden "revelations" came out it, I was surprised that this was considered news. I understand that perhaps there wasn't an official website laying the whole thing out, but at a minimum it took a lot of people to set up and run and I really don't think it was ever terribly secret to begin with.

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Post by yayamo »

0xDEF wrote: post #101
proudeu wrote: post #93

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Most of comments you read on reddit are written and/or upvoted by bots. No wonder they are trying to shift the narrative to be more pro-US. Eglin Military base was some time ago biggest source of traffic on Reddit. It’s up to you what you make of that

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It's not exactly a lie it comes from this 2013 Reddit blogpost http://redditblog.blogspot.com/2013/05/get-ready-for-global-...

>Most addicted city (over 100k visits total) Eglin Air Force Base, FL Oak Brook, IL South St. Paul, MN

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Post by GhostWhisperer »

reducesuffering wrote: post #126
Sharlin wrote: post #114

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In late 2021 and early 2022 almost everybody, including most European heads of state, believed Russia was just bluffing and wasn't going to invade (because they correctly thought it would be incredibly irrational).

Then maybe you should start putting a bit more trust on the people giving you accurate information predictions, like the US State dept. and people like Dmitri Alperovitch https://twitter.com/DAlperovitch/status/1473362460673515527 , and less trust on Russian state propaganda spreaders like Snowden, https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1493646431743356931?lang=... .

grandparent is probably not a head of state

Re: On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

93po wrote: post #145
2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #138

I urge everyone interested to read the intel report and tell me what about it is false or inaccurate. https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/snowden_report_... https://intelligence.house.gov/uploadedfiles/hpsci_snowden_r... > “The Committee further found no evidence that Snowden attempted to communicate concerns about the legality or morality of intelligence activities to any officials, senior or otherwise, dur…

I will tell you that three letter agencies in the US have a proven and undeniable track record of lying incessantly and basically nothing that comes from them can be trusted.

This report is produced by the U.S. House of Representatives- not a 3-letter agency.
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