On the 10th anniversary of the Snowden revelations

Post by 0xDEF » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 9:44 AM UTC

proudeu wrote: post #93

yreg wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently noticed how the public perception of Snowden changed on reddit. Years ago it was I think very positive. But with the war going on now when I see him come up, usually there are many users saying that he is a naive Russian asset and so on. Makes me a bit sad to see.

Most of comments you read on reddit are written and/or upvoted by bots. No wonder they are trying to shift the narrative to be more pro-US. Eglin Military base was some time ago biggest source of traffic on Reddit. It’s up to you what you make of that

Post by 5e92cb50239222b » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 9:49 AM UTC

0xDEF wrote: post #96

kome wrote: post #94

This really feels like CIA NSA propaganda. As if nothing wrong happened. What the hell. The character assassination of Snowden&co in the anglophone sphere is absurd, and probably manufactured. But this didn't quite happen in other languages. Assange trials are just mind-blowing and worrisome, and yet the simple truth is here: who told the truth is in jail, and who committed war crimes is outside.

>The character assassination of Snowden Well nobody forced him to repeat Russian propaganda in late 2021 and early 2022 that "Russia was totally not going to invade".

Post by willis936 » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 9:49 AM UTC

INTPenis wrote: post #79

bandrami wrote: post #16

The weirdest thing is that Drake had already whistleblown about the program in 2005. It was front page on the NYT and WP. But 8 years later everybody seemed to have completely forgotten that and acted like Snowden was revealing something new.

I think the simplest explanation is that people have it good enough to not rock the boat, and those among the literally unwashed, and untreated, masses who don't have bread and circuses would quickly be shutdown if they tried to move on any part of the government. Seems to me this state of surveillance has just been accepted as a norm. People in the business have taken precautions like using more encryption and audit…

Post by willis936 » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 9:55 AM UTC

proudeu wrote: post #93

yreg wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I recently noticed how the public perception of Snowden changed on reddit. Years ago it was I think very positive. But with the war going on now when I see him come up, usually there are many users saying that he is a naive Russian asset and so on. Makes me a bit sad to see.

Most of comments you read on reddit are written and/or upvoted by bots. No wonder they are trying to shift the narrative to be more pro-US. Eglin Military base was some time ago biggest source of traffic on Reddit. It’s up to you what you make of that

Post by DharmaPolice » Wed, Sep 06, 2023, 10:21 AM UTC

hooande wrote: post #50

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #27

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The article makes the case that Snowden was NOT a whistleblower: “ "I want to emphasize this: my active searching out of NSA abuses began not with the copying of documents, but with the reading of them. My initial intention was just to confirm the suspicions that I'd first had back in 2009 in Tokyo. Three years later I was determined to find out if an American system of mass surveillance existed and, if it did, how i…

In all these years I'd never seen this. Ironic, but not surprising, that according to this account Snowden did exactly what he accused the US government of doing: mass collecting data with no authorization or purpose and then using it to accuse someone he disagreed with of crimes.