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Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by jprete »

userbinator wrote: post #130
flandish wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Public mass transit is far more efficient. The push for cars keeps car owners (in the corp and profit sense) alive. Only. Add in the pretend notion that cars equal freedom and it’s just a cycle of energy wasting nonsense. If we (tech fans) really wanted to help alleviate the problems roads have (traffic, accidents, etc) - public mass transit is the way to go. But I guess .. where’s the immediate hype-based p…

Add in the pretend notion that cars equal freedom and it’s just a cycle of energy wasting nonsense. It is freedom. Life is "energy wasting" too, but don't let that get in the way of ideological virtue-signaling... Those working in the mass transit industry call passengers "cattle" for a reason. Roads may have problems but the alternative you're proposing is far worse.

I don't think I've ever heard of self-driving cars as a freedom-promoting technology. In fact, I remember self-driving car fans of a decade ago being very enthusiastic about the prospect of banning human drivers.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by tim333 »

gameoverhumans wrote: post #3

It still blows my mind that so many people are okay with beta testing software that controls a several-tonne metal box on wheels moving at 100km/h+ on shared roadways.

Tesla say their thing "crashes 0.31 times per million miles, a dramatic decrease from the average American, who crashes 1.53 times every million miles." (https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fsd-safety-statistics/#:~:te....)

So maybe we should worry more about the average American?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by justinclift »

wilg wrote: post #96
justinclift wrote: post #74

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> Are you suggesting that AI driving is impossible? Seems like it'll be impossible for Tesla. It's less clear for others though, as some of them (Mercedes?) seem to be taking a more responsible development approach.

Looking at Mercedes is foolish IMO. There's no reason to think they have any expertise in this domain. They have some press releases but very little technology to show for themselves. Cruise and Waymo are the other major players here.

> There's no reason to think they have any expertise in this domain.

If they're taking a measured approach, and it's working, then it seems like they've either bought in the expertise or managed to develop it. :)

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by gameoverhumans »

tim333 wrote: post #152
gameoverhumans wrote: post #3

It still blows my mind that so many people are okay with beta testing software that controls a several-tonne metal box on wheels moving at 100km/h+ on shared roadways.

Tesla say their thing "crashes 0.31 times per million miles, a dramatic decrease from the average American, who crashes 1.53 times every million miles." ( https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-fsd-safety-statistics/#:~:te... .) So maybe we should worry more about the average American?

> Tesla say their thing ""

No, I don't believe any of those p-hacked/biased stats that conveniently portray something, that is sold as BETA SOFTWARE by a company with a multi-billion market cap and a world-class marketing division, to be "safer" than an average driver.

FWIW I'm also not thrilled with the idea of the average person being permitted to get behind the wheel of a 5 tonne death machine, either.

> So maybe we should worry more about the average American?

As an outsider (Australian) watching the American empire decline so rapidly in recent years, I assure you I'm also quite worried about America, and the average American.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by self_awareness »

self_awareness wrote: post #4

The guy enables beta version of autopilot software during the night on a highway. Encounters a bug that nearly costs him his life, and... enables the same feature again later. I mean, why...

For downvoters: I mean, for me of course it's a good thing that some people risk their lives in order for me to have a stable feature, but I don't really understand the motivation.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by hef19898 »

nickthegreek wrote: post #89
hef19898 wrote: post #19

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Did he? And we know that wasn't heavily prepared? Also, Musk is very capabale of doing stupid things. Especially when it comes to social media likes. I mean he spent 44 billion for that same reason...

It obviously wasn’t heavily prepared as Musks Tesla tried to kill him during the livestream.

So Musk will end this whole FSD Beta testing on the roads, disable the feature on sold cars via OTA (at least one sensible use case for that in cars beyond map updates) and stop advertizing and / or selling it while reimbursing those who paid for it?

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by [deleted] »

baz00 wrote: post #92
jlmorton wrote: post #75

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> Self driving cars are not important other than for a few exec ego This is where you really go off the rails. You can't possibly believe this.

Literally the main reasons for the push for self-driving cars are to drive operating costs down for private taxi services by removing humans and to have a marketable feature that can be upsold on luxury vehicles. These are a net negative for society as they drive up unemployment and consumption. It's ego because it's a gold rush revenue source if it plays off and various CEOs have been pushing because while stock pri…

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by sebzim4500 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #94
sebzim4500 wrote: post #87

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It's already on the road driving millions of miles. Someone should just count how many accidents it has had, and compare to how many are expected given the number of miles driven under each driving condition. If FSD has more accidents then ban it.

I love this “logic.” You can do something wrong but if it works out, hey, it’s fine right? This also creates a wonderfully sloppy veil. Hey it’s proven safe. So we’re going to go ahead and fuck with the settings more.”

If it improves safety then it isn't wrong

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by sebzim4500 »

TheCleric wrote: post #128
sebzim4500 wrote: post #87

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It's already on the road driving millions of miles. Someone should just count how many accidents it has had, and compare to how many are expected given the number of miles driven under each driving condition. If FSD has more accidents then ban it.

Sure this will go fine since it's not like we have a track record of people dying in Teslas, with Tesla taking zero accountability, and withholding the crash data from open scrutiny. This experiment is sure to be unbiased.

That's why the data should be collected by a government department rather than Tesla

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by wilg »

Tepix wrote: post #124
wilg wrote: post #96

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Looking at Mercedes is foolish IMO. There's no reason to think they have any expertise in this domain. They have some press releases but very little technology to show for themselves. Cruise and Waymo are the other major players here.

Are you aware that Mercedes has L3 (in limited circumstances) rolled out already?

Yes, far as I can tell, it's mostly a marketing gimmick. I think it works below 40mph in stop-and-go traffic on Nevada freeways, and doesn't do any navigation and just stays in its lane. They can put out a press release about "L3" all they want, but there's nothing to suggest this is more than an off-the-shelf ADAS/LKAS with some additional driver monitoring. This is not the type of technology or strategy you see anyone serious about self-driving working on.
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