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Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by jay_kyburz »

henrik_w wrote: post #38

I had severe problems with RSI many years ago, to the point where I thought I had to give up programming alltogether. I also got an ergonomic keyboard, which helped, and an argonomic pen-like mouse. However, I would say that even more important in getting rid of my problems was the use of a break program. It reminds me to take regular breaks, and prompts me to to stretches throuhgout the day. The combination of these…

Apparently I just don't work very hard and take lots of breaks all the time without an app needing to remind me.

Also, my colleagues find it very annoying when I stand up and start pacing around when I am thinking something through.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by knodi123 »

danielvaughn wrote: post #57

I’d really love to see someone design a keyboard that fits your hands like a PlayStation controller. I can hold a controller for hours without any pain whatsoever.

That's funny, the latest armored core is giving me RSI. I'm not saying your experience is wrong, just self-deprecatingly reminding you of the old saying about "Make something idiot-proof, and they will build a better idiot."

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by microtonal »

lacrimacida wrote: post #54
yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

The regular standard keyboard hasn’t been a limitation to me in any way, I prefer mechanical keyboards as they feel slightly better but I never felt the desire to try a different layout keyboard. However, Im lucky that I don’t have RSI and that I don’t have to type so much so as to justify the effort of a better setup. So keep in mind, while some seek perfection for their own setup others are looking for a solution t…

That’s the thing, you don’t have issues until you have them. And then you wish that you cared earlier.

In hindsight I with I’d gotten that adjustable desk and (then) Kinesis Advantage ten years ago. But then I thought it’s a waste of money and I’m doing fine with my Apple keyboard.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by idank »

eviks wrote: post #33

These types of design look awesome, keyboard should be split and it should reflect the physical difference in finger length etc, the only thing missing is one (or two?) tracking points for mouse movements without moving your hand, are there keyboards like that?

I build popular split ergo keyboards with integrated pointing devices: https://holykeebs.com/

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by microtonal »

GenericDev wrote: post #35

I just want a freaking vertical keyboard. I don't understand why this is so freaking hard to find. Kinesis had the Free Style 2 keyboard[1] that you had to go out of the way to buy a vertical stand with, and it has been my go to keyboard FOR YEARS now because I just can't find any alternatives. I used to use the Kinesis Advantage keyboards, but they mess with my carpal tunnel. As cool as they are the plastic placemen…

You can get a mounting plate for the Glove80 and mount it vertically. Some people do.

I went through some ergonomics research and they suggest that lower angles are better than completely vertical. It differs per paper, but most comfortable angle in group studies seems to be somewhere between 20 and 45 degrees if I remember correctly (I’d have to dig up the papers again).

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Post by Isognoviastoma »

yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

Keycap displays could be used to shuffle letters, thus prevent touch typing and force neck moves.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wesapien »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #52
wesapien wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just do it and don't look back. The night I ordered the Glove80, I almost bought an Alice in Amazon but I got the one I really want. Half measures might have given me buyers remorse.

The thing is with Alice you can easily get hot-swappable board with different switches and keycap profiles and it costs less than $200. While I have been eyeing these "cup" style keyboards for years, I feel very hesitant dropping $400 on a keyboard when my Alice is "fine". Maybe you are right that Alice is a half measure and going full hog is the way, but I could also be spending $400 on a keyboard and another $100 o…

I did think about it being non-hotswappable but it was a non-factor since I'm optimizing for ergonomics. I already knew I want linear switches and the lower force which was Choc Pro Reds. I don't like the other switch types after trying other keyboards.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by yyt88 »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #58
yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

While ergonomic keyboards are big part of some peoples fight against RSI, for many more using them is about comfort. After you get used to having tilted keyboard going back to normal one just feels tight and uncomfortable. Also for me big part about customizing your tools is exactly that - you get to customize your tools. I type professionally so it is insane to me when I see my colleagues working on some random lapt…

"Insane"? I type professionally too. On my laptop, in a myriad different settings. Sometimes in a coffee shop, sometimes on a quiet bench in a hallway, sometimes at home on my sofa, my kitchen table, and sometimes at my desk. I enjoy every minute of it and I'm having a blast. 11 years and counting.

If it doesn't work for you then it doesn't mean it won't for anybody else. It's surely not "insane".

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by microtonal »

nextlevelwizard wrote: post #52
wesapien wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just do it and don't look back. The night I ordered the Glove80, I almost bought an Alice in Amazon but I got the one I really want. Half measures might have given me buyers remorse.

The thing is with Alice you can easily get hot-swappable board with different switches and keycap profiles and it costs less than $200. While I have been eyeing these "cup" style keyboards for years, I feel very hesitant dropping $400 on a keyboard when my Alice is "fine". Maybe you are right that Alice is a half measure and going full hog is the way, but I could also be spending $400 on a keyboard and another $100 o…

This is why there should be keyboard renting service. If I’m not mistaken, you could rent the Maltron keyboard in the old days.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by galkk »

nazgulnarsil wrote: post #20

I highly recommend low profile switches for those who haven't tried them. They weren't really available in many models until recently and they're a big step up from standard switches if you're more used to laptops.

Any specific recommendations for switches/key caps? Can I buy some to put into my zsa moon lander?
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