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Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by dharmab »

kubov wrote: post #10

I bought moonlander some time ago and found the learning process far too frustrating. What's more, I noticed that the more I switched to the new layout, the more I was struggling with more classic ones (primarily laptops and my trusty MS NEK 4000). That was enough for me to shelve the moonlander for now. How long it takes to fully and comfortably switch, including all the punctuation characters? Did you also struggle…

It took me about one week to me productive on an ErgoDox and another week to surpass my original typing speed and accuracy. I created my own layout instead of using the default, based on what was easiest for me to reach and the most common symbols I used.

After a few weeks I could look away from the screen to have a conversation with a coworker while still typing at full speed and accuracy.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

wesapien wrote: post #28
no_wizard wrote: post #15

I know I need one. I have an Alice layout keyboard (think Microsoft ergonomic keyboard) and it helps but I know a fully ergonomic keyboard that I can tent is in my future eventually. Anyone have tips on getting up to speed with a new keyboard? My productivity drops dramatically every time I’ve tried it. Last time with a Kinesis FreeStyle and I just wasn’t adjusting fast enough. I’ll take tips on how to adopt an ergon…

Just do it and don't look back. The night I ordered the Glove80, I almost bought an Alice in Amazon but I got the one I really want. Half measures might have given me buyers remorse.

The thing is with Alice you can easily get hot-swappable board with different switches and keycap profiles and it costs less than $200.

While I have been eyeing these "cup" style keyboards for years, I feel very hesitant dropping $400 on a keyboard when my Alice is "fine".

Maybe you are right that Alice is a half measure and going full hog is the way, but I could also be spending $400 on a keyboard and another $100 on shipping on import tax just to end up with a keyboard I don't use.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by __MatrixMan__ »

CWIZO wrote: post #36
borissk wrote: post #32

Such keyboards are good for people with wrist, shoulder, blood flow, etc. problems. But for the majority of computer users a regular keyboard is good enough - just take a short rest now and then.

Regular keyboards are why many people end up with wrist/hand/shoulder/etc. pain. Perhaps going as "extreme" as something like Glove80 is unnecessary for most, but I wouldn't recommend a regular keyboard to anyone that types at least a few hours a day.

Agreed.

I'm really glad I took the plunge and switched to a keyboard that I could program to move the action away from my pinkies (I moved the character blocks outward and got real creative with the two new columns between g and h).

Had I waited longer I think it would've gradually dampened my enthusiasm for code, just by association.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by lacrimacida »

yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

The regular standard keyboard hasn’t been a limitation to me in any way, I prefer mechanical keyboards as they feel slightly better but I never felt the desire to try a different layout keyboard. However, Im lucky that I don’t have RSI and that I don’t have to type so much so as to justify the effort of a better setup. So keep in mind, while some seek perfection for their own setup others are looking for a solution to a medical sort of problem, and that usually doesn’t have much to do with doing sports and taking breaks, once RSI becomes a problem, it’s no fun..

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by raylad »

fallous wrote: post #41
GenericDev wrote: post #35

I just want a freaking vertical keyboard. I don't understand why this is so freaking hard to find. Kinesis had the Free Style 2 keyboard[1] that you had to go out of the way to buy a vertical stand with, and it has been my go to keyboard FOR YEARS now because I just can't find any alternatives. I used to use the Kinesis Advantage keyboards, but they mess with my carpal tunnel. As cool as they are the plastic placemen…

Interestingly I bought my mother-in-law a keyboard back in 1997 or so from an early auction site (not ebay) that had a release and dial that would split the keyboard and raise it in the center so you could pick any angle from 0-degrees to about 60 degrees vertical. As a transcriptionist she had dealt with carpal tunnel for years and that keyboard greatly reduced her pain. Sadly, I think it died in the early 2000s and…

This one?

https://www.goldtouch.com/ergonomic-keyboards/

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by wesapien »

yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

The split allows you to open up your shoulders and straight end your wrists. Tenting or tilting does make it even more comfortable because it gets closer to a more vertical (handshake) position. I agree with you that movement, rest, and stretching is key. Staying too long in the same position is not good.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by nextlevelwizard »

yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

While ergonomic keyboards are big part of some peoples fight against RSI, for many more using them is about comfort. After you get used to having tilted keyboard going back to normal one just feels tight and uncomfortable.

Also for me big part about customizing your tools is exactly that - you get to customize your tools. I type professionally so it is insane to me when I see my colleagues working on some random laptop keyboard and screen day after day when they could spend couple hundred bucks on a nice quality keyboard and large screen or two and make their work more enjoyable.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by smokel »

henrik_w wrote: post #38

I had severe problems with RSI many years ago, to the point where I thought I had to give up programming alltogether. I also got an ergonomic keyboard, which helped, and an argonomic pen-like mouse. However, I would say that even more important in getting rid of my problems was the use of a break program. It reminds me to take regular breaks, and prompts me to to stretches throuhgout the day. The combination of these…

When I (or to be more precise, when a colleague I was trying to pair program with) used them, these programs infuriated me to no end. Just when I was on to something, I got smacked in the face with a modal dialog.

Perhaps things have improved over the years, but I could not imagine a user interface that would cater to both my physical and mental well-being.

Re: Glove80 Ergonomic Keyboard

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Post by microtonal »

yyt88 wrote: post #44

I wonder if all those "ergonomic" designs really aim at the right corner of the solution space. What about targetted exercise of involved muscle groups and regular breaks to stretch and relax the tendons/joints/muscles/...? I mean, with our societies sedentary life style, surely exacerbated by programmers sitting for 10+ hours a day, I'm a bit doubtful that moving even less is the answer. What about doing a few simpl…

That’s a good question. As I get older, I’ve found that I should do all of them: regular exercises, good chair, height-adjustable desk, and a good ergo keyboard.

Even though my wrist issues have disappeared, I wish I could tell the younger me, who could type all day on a grey slab without breaks on a crappy chair, to care about ergonomics and improve along all these dimensions.

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