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Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by TheCleric »

justinclift wrote: post #81
dzhiurgis wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you treat all traffic participants with same scrutiny? I’d rather have distracted driver on autopilot over distracted driver in a car with crude ADAS.

> Do you treat all traffic participants with same scrutiny? Yes. Many people who've been riding motorcycles more than about 6 months or so (aka and lived), have learned to. A few years on from that, defensive^W paranoid riding is well ingrained.

I still drive like I rode my motorcycle: looking at every car on the road and trying to figure out how they could kill me, and then responding accordingly.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#132

Post by flandish »

userbinator wrote: post #130
flandish wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Public mass transit is far more efficient. The push for cars keeps car owners (in the corp and profit sense) alive. Only. Add in the pretend notion that cars equal freedom and it’s just a cycle of energy wasting nonsense. If we (tech fans) really wanted to help alleviate the problems roads have (traffic, accidents, etc) - public mass transit is the way to go. But I guess .. where’s the immediate hype-based p…

Add in the pretend notion that cars equal freedom and it’s just a cycle of energy wasting nonsense. It is freedom. Life is "energy wasting" too, but don't let that get in the way of ideological virtue-signaling... Those working in the mass transit industry call passengers "cattle" for a reason. Roads may have problems but the alternative you're proposing is far worse.

How is it freedom? It’s being beholden to a road, a licensure, a financial burden, an environmental one, and so on…

Yes, one can get into the car and drive and live “the way of the road” like Ricky’s dad on TPB but again:

How is that freedom?

“Freedom” is american marketing.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by TheCleric »

BooneJS wrote: post #104

Model Y w/HW3 + FSD Beta loves to take those turnoff lanes on 2-lane 55 mph highways, thinking that the road just went to 4 lanes. Unfortunately (for me), those turnoff lanes abruptly stop in a 90 degree right turn. I leave audio comments when it happens when prompted asking why I disabled FSD by yanking the wheel left, but I don't know what else to do.

My question would be if you've witnessed it perform dangerous behaviors, why would you continue to use it. That's what else you can do; stop using the automated death software.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#134

Post by inferiorhuman »

userbinator wrote: post #130
flandish wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not? Public mass transit is far more efficient. The push for cars keeps car owners (in the corp and profit sense) alive. Only. Add in the pretend notion that cars equal freedom and it’s just a cycle of energy wasting nonsense. If we (tech fans) really wanted to help alleviate the problems roads have (traffic, accidents, etc) - public mass transit is the way to go. But I guess .. where’s the immediate hype-based p…

Add in the pretend notion that cars equal freedom and it’s just a cycle of energy wasting nonsense. It is freedom. Life is "energy wasting" too, but don't let that get in the way of ideological virtue-signaling... Those working in the mass transit industry call passengers "cattle" for a reason. Roads may have problems but the alternative you're proposing is far worse.

  It is freedom
It's a tragedy of the commons.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by jacquesm »

TheCleric wrote: post #131
justinclift wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you treat all traffic participants with same scrutiny? Yes. Many people who've been riding motorcycles more than about 6 months or so (aka and lived), have learned to. A few years on from that, defensive^W paranoid riding is well ingrained.

I still drive like I rode my motorcycle: looking at every car on the road and trying to figure out how they could kill me, and then responding accordingly.

That's the only way. Because it doesn't take a huge percentage of distracted drivers to pose a concrete danger. But I've seen more than one Tesla making weird moves and given how many of those there are here I'm not quite sure whether that is more or less frequent than with other brands but what I do notice is the severity of the moves and they tend to be pretty wild. As in: half a lane wide sudden moves. Of course that could just as easily be Tesla drivers that are themselves in control of their car. But I strongly suspect FSD to be at the root of these, they certainly don't look like the kind of thing a driver would do voluntarily, but as a panic response to a vehicle doing something out of the ordinary it would match just fine.

What really gets me is that people would then not return their vehicle as defective (or never ever again use such a feature). I sold my previous car after it twice false triggered on the auto emergency braking failure and I would expect other car owners to do the same thing.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by dzhiurgis »

xboxnolifes wrote: post #120
dzhiurgis wrote: post #110

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Where are they? Taking a driving exam?

Are you really trying to suggest that every driver is intoxicated or on their phone? Do you drive?

I drive lots.

I'm saying that there are very little of perfect drivers. Even without phone and alcohol, which is a criminal negligence - there's kids, partners, mind wandering, daydreaming, poor vehicle maintenance, crap road designs or surfaces, medical conditions, vision impairments, weather, food, insects, etc which on overall means we are generally very distracted and impaired.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by dzhiurgis »

TheCleric wrote: post #131
justinclift wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Do you treat all traffic participants with same scrutiny? Yes. Many people who've been riding motorcycles more than about 6 months or so (aka and lived), have learned to. A few years on from that, defensive^W paranoid riding is well ingrained.

I still drive like I rode my motorcycle: looking at every car on the road and trying to figure out how they could kill me, and then responding accordingly.

(Responding to jacquesm because thread depth exceeded)

> half a lane wide sudden moves

In 10k autopilot km's I've never seen that. Yes there is some breaking sometimes, but no swerves yet.

And yes panic breaking pisses me off and lane departure alarms almost caused to rage and return the car.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by ForestCritter »

kec wrote: post #103
throwaway914 wrote: post #82

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I'm sure I'm just naive because I don't work in this space, but I keep wondering why they don't do machine learning from a satellite perspective. Yes, the cars need to notice and react to things in front of them. However, a lot of problem areas and odd navigation can be identified from space. I'm surprised they don't do some massive slow exposure shots from a satellite and see how traffic flows across the entire US.…

How would satellite imagery help at night, during cloudy/stormy weather? What sort of latency does the imagery have? Can commercial imagery even resolve things like painted lane markers, construction detour signage, etc?

car meet deer meet death in my neck of the woods anyway. Satteltes can't predict deer. Most of the time we can't even predict them.

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

#139

Post by coffeebeqn »

kec wrote: post #103
throwaway914 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure I'm just naive because I don't work in this space, but I keep wondering why they don't do machine learning from a satellite perspective. Yes, the cars need to notice and react to things in front of them. However, a lot of problem areas and odd navigation can be identified from space. I'm surprised they don't do some massive slow exposure shots from a satellite and see how traffic flows across the entire US.…

How would satellite imagery help at night, during cloudy/stormy weather? What sort of latency does the imagery have? Can commercial imagery even resolve things like painted lane markers, construction detour signage, etc?

There’s also a much easier method - just get the delta of every Tesla on the road to the speed limit and you can see how well traffic flows. All the navigation apps already do that

Re: Tesla FSD Beta tried to kill me last night

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Post by ForestCritter »

drexlspivey wrote: post #65
baz00 wrote: post #24

This will never work. They are still fucking around changing vehicle configurations, sensor configurations, computers, throwing more compute at it, everything after nearly a decade now. It's a hack job death march, reminiscent of half-assed software crap companies I've worked for, surrounded by hype, marketing and rabid fanboyism. I've never seen customers at this scale who are happy being experimented on like lab ra…

Are you suggesting that AI driving is impossible? What's so special about a human brain "reasoning" while driving that AI can't do it?

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