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No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless the reason you didn't go was due to possible rain, I would classify this under right decision wrong reason. Edit: I seem to have touched a soft spot lol.

You're downvoted because you chose to be pedantic about something that everyone, including the original poster, understood.

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Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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post #230
post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Sure, but that is not the common situation. -- when prompt attention is available. falls are not the only cause of bone fracture. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2700578/

Nope. As noted in the paper, they are rare except for in severe trauma without prompt attention. Otherwise us humans would have a MUCH lower survival rate than we already do out in the wild. Or as the paper notes “The etiology may be traumatic or, rarely, nontraumatic.” Non-compound fractures can still cause serious issues if complicated somehow, or even long term loss of function of course if they aren’t set correct…

>> without prompt attention nope. there is no prompt attention in the current situation

as noted in the paper incidence of fat embolism approaches 30%

many undiagnosed incidence are discovered post mortem.

you are attempting to minimize a dangerous situation.

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>> EPIDEMIOLOGY

The incidence of FES ranges from Bulger et al.,[3] in their retrospective study, reported an incidence of 2. Georgopoulos D, Bouros D. Fat embolism syndrome clinical examination is still the preferable diagnostic method. Chest. 2003;123:982–3.

3. Bulger EM, Smith DG, Maier RV, Jurkovich GJ. Fat embolism syndrome: A 10 years review. Arch Surg. 1997;132:435–9.

4. Fabian TC, Hoots AV, Stanford DS, Patterson CR, Mangiante EC. Fat embolism syndrome, prospective evaluation in 92 fractured patients. Crit Care Med. 1990;18:42–6.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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post #223

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless the reason you didn't go was due to possible rain, I would classify this under right decision wrong reason. Edit: I seem to have touched a soft spot lol.

Your comment is noise, and is being downvoted as such. There is no point in trying to read too much into it.

You would expect the original comment to be downvoted as well if that were the case.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#234
post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless the reason you didn't go was due to possible rain, I would classify this under right decision wrong reason. Edit: I seem to have touched a soft spot lol.

You're downvoted because you chose to be pedantic about something that everyone, including the original poster, understood.

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Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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The first few paragraphs are confusing. Are the attendees unable to drive out through the mud, or are they forbidden to try by local authorities? Or some of both, forbidden to try because they might get stuck even worse?

They can if they'd like to, but they're unable. The kind of mud they're dealing with is very slippery, so, unless you bring a vehicle specifically designed for it, you're not going to be able to drive on it without being sunk up to your axles.

It's strongly discouraged: if people drive and get badly stuck clogging the roads and exit gate, the problem will be even worse and the bulk of the people will be stuck for even longer.

"Please do NOT drive at this time. Road conditions differ based on the neighborhood. We will update you on the driving ban after this weather front has left the area.

It will hamper Exodus if we have cars stuck on roads in our camping areas, or on the Gate Road out of the city. PLEASE don’t be that person. The roads will dry. The issue is NO LONGER ruining the roads (that is the concern before we start the event), but once we are in Exodus we need the roads to be clear, and not to have vehicles blocking traffic flow."

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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The first few paragraphs are confusing. Are the attendees unable to drive out through the mud, or are they forbidden to try by local authorities? Or some of both, forbidden to try because they might get stuck even worse?

They can if they'd like to, but they're unable. The kind of mud they're dealing with is very slippery, so, unless you bring a vehicle specifically designed for it, you're not going to be able to drive on it without being sunk up to your axles.

there's a good image of a jeep that attempted to drive out that is fossilized half way up in dried mud at this point

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Being in a desert during an El Niño season is a poor decision. It does rain occasionally and I don’t think people going to camp with a days worth of food in small tents understand the risk of a desert climate. Also, it’s not that remote. Diplo and Chris Rock walked 5 miles out of the site and got picked up and driven back so while the situation does suck, it’s not like they are alone in the great white north 100 mile…

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Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

#240

What am I missing here? Flat walk in comfortable temps in a straight line. 5 miles with a bit of rain and some mud. I wouldn't do this in heels, but this doesn't seem life threatening

I thought the same, but from what I understand - Large portion has no mobile phone coverage - Areas with so much rain that it is like mud + quicksand (no experience with this, is this the case?) - Heavy rain + clay makes shoes stick with each step - No lights - Some people have gone to burning man with children (didnt know this was possible) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/09/01/2023-b... - Rain conti…

A 4 year old can walk 5 miles. You don't need cell service- if you can read a map, or just look for landmarks, you will be fine. Moon is still bright. Walking though mud is annoying but easier than deep snow. Getting your stuff back might be annoying, but there's no reason most of these people couldn't walk out of they had to. I've been stranded by a natural disaster-waited a few days and hitchhiked out after fording a river that took out the only bridge. This is just sensationalist stuff; a few tech bros will miss work on Tuesday, but that's the major effect
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