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Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by TuringNYC »

CraigRo wrote: post #217

What am I missing here? Flat walk in comfortable temps in a straight line. 5 miles with a bit of rain and some mud. I wouldn't do this in heels, but this doesn't seem life threatening

I thought the same, but from what I understand

- Large portion has no mobile phone coverage

- Areas with so much rain that it is like mud + quicksand (no experience with this, is this the case?)

- Heavy rain + clay makes shoes stick with each step

- No lights

- Some people have gone to burning man with children (didnt know this was possible) https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/09/01/2023-b...

- Rain continues so unclear if the better decision is to stay put vs walk

- 70,000 people stuck

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by rewmie »

cinntaile wrote: post #191
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #189

Seems I made the right choice by not going this year!

Unless the reason you didn't go was due to possible rain, I would classify this under right decision wrong reason. Edit: I seem to have touched a soft spot lol.

Your comment is noise, and is being downvoted as such. There is no point in trying to read too much into it.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by rewmie »

PrimeMcFly wrote: post #215
SoftTalker wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Against the organizers, probably, for organizing a large event with easily foreseeable risks that were not adequately mitigated. Waivers and disclaimers are not a defense against negligently creating a risky situation. Note I'm not saying I endorse this, just expecting it to happen based on the history of US civil law.

> Waivers and disclaimers are not a defense against negligently creating a risky situation. Yes they are. People know the risks and choose to go, it's that simple as far as I can see. I think any case would be dismissed outright. Although IANAL so maybe not.

> Yes they are. People know the risks and choose to go, it's that simple as far as I can see.

Not really. Event organizers are required to ensure their venue is safe, regardless of the public perception.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by paxys »

bookofjoe wrote: post #205

>Death at Burning Man investigated in US, thousands stranded by flooding https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/9/3/death-under-investig... >Trapped in Mud, Burning Man Attendees Are Told to Conserve Food https://www.nytimes.com/2023/09/02/us/burning-man-storm-floo...

Willing to bet any amount of money that the death is drug related. There are a handful every year.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by djmips »

rewmie wrote: post #223
cinntaile wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unless the reason you didn't go was due to possible rain, I would classify this under right decision wrong reason. Edit: I seem to have touched a soft spot lol.

Your comment is noise, and is being downvoted as such. There is no point in trying to read too much into it.

The original comment is noise 'picked right year not to go' - cool story bro

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by jtriangle »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #222

The first few paragraphs are confusing. Are the attendees unable to drive out through the mud, or are they forbidden to try by local authorities? Or some of both, forbidden to try because they might get stuck even worse?

They can if they'd like to, but they're unable. The kind of mud they're dealing with is very slippery, so, unless you bring a vehicle specifically designed for it, you're not going to be able to drive on it without being sunk up to your axles.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

rewmie wrote: post #224
PrimeMcFly wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Waivers and disclaimers are not a defense against negligently creating a risky situation. Yes they are. People know the risks and choose to go, it's that simple as far as I can see. I think any case would be dismissed outright. Although IANAL so maybe not.

> Yes they are. People know the risks and choose to go, it's that simple as far as I can see. Not really. Event organizers are required to ensure their venue is safe, regardless of the public perception.

Not when it's something held in a national park like this. It's an organized camp site not a festival. And they are required to ensure it is safe within reason, and it seems like they did that/are doing that.

Re: No way in or out of Burning Man after storm

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Post by lazide »

rolph wrote: post #210
lazide wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, but that is not the common situation. One advantage of everything being deep intractable mud - mud is soft! So less chance of compound fractures from a fall at least. Though vehicle recovery is going to be epic . And that is a good way to break/kill people if not done very carefully. I’ve seen (very expensive) vehicles end up completely destroyed and abandoned when someone wandered a bit too far out into a surp…

>>Sure, but that is not the common situation. -- when prompt attention is available. falls are not the only cause of bone fracture. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2700578/

Nope. As noted in the paper, they are rare except for in severe trauma without prompt attention.

Otherwise us humans would have a MUCH lower survival rate than we already do out in the wild.

Or as the paper notes “The etiology may be traumatic or, rarely, nontraumatic.”

Non-compound fractures can still cause serious issues if complicated somehow, or even long term loss of function of course if they aren’t set correctly, among other less than ideal chronic issues, which should be done ASAP.

But it’s not like someone is likely to die (or even suffer serious long term issues) from an uncomplicated ulnar fracture if they don’t get to the ER within a few days, for instance.

The amount of water I’m seeing come down in the Truckee area right now sure is epic though, so no question they are in for a ride!

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