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Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by raverbashing »

gruez wrote: post #30
ivanmontillam wrote: post #28

I've always been wary of adopting Discord, at all. Every time I see a business inviting me to a Discord, I feel like I'm putting myself in a position to be mistreated either by the platform or by the company inviting me. I feel like they don't quite understand sound business principles like Platform Risk. If keeping up the business afloat is your mission as a business owner, why'd you base your business off a platfor…

>Every time I see a business inviting me to a Discord, I feel like I'm putting myself in a position to be mistreated either by the platform or by the company inviting me. I feel like they don't quite understand sound business principles like Platform Risk. >If keeping up the business afloat is your mission as a business owner, why'd you base your business off a platform you don't control? [...] Why is discord any dif…

> Why is discord any different than other platforms like office365 or AWS?

It is different. Really

Discord seems run by people with a vague understanding of security, attack vectors, let alone security best practices.

(or maybe they are heavily biased towards the gaming audience - but regardless)

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by morkalork »

cudgy wrote: post #108
DJHenk wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is discord any different than other platforms like office365 or AWS? Do you feel the same about companies using those platforms as well? The difference is that Microsoft and AWS don't take on an active role in moderating what happens between the company and its users. But yes, in a way they are similar and I do feel uneasy each time we take on a dependency on some AWS-specific feature where we could easily have…

Didn’t AWS pull the rug out from under a fledgling, but increasingly popular, social media site that never recovered from their actions “after the platform was deemed to be both "unwilling and unable" to address extremist speech”? https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-web-services-parler-lawsuit-...

>a fledgling, but increasingly popular, social media site

Aww, so innocent sounding. AWS was such a big bully in terminating their relationship with that client. It's not like anybody died as a result of that extremist speech they were popularising, right?

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by nullc »

oneweekwonder wrote: post #110
CSMastermind wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Discord, meanwhile, grew out of some combination of gaming/tech IRC servers For the record this is exactly where Slack came from as well. From Wikipedia: > Slack originated as an internal communication tool used within Stewart Butterfield's company, Tiny Speck, during their work on the development of Glitch, an online game. These communication tools were initially built around the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) protocol…

> However, in May 2018, the company chose to close down these corresponding gateways due to limitations inherent in those protocols. It was a way to onboard tech people and once they were big enough they closed the door for those audience. Which really hurt me because i live in a country with a small tech community and was happily interacting with them using irc, until slack changed into a walled garden.

Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by molticrystal »

While not foolproof, a good metric is being wary of any platform that wants your phone number(google, facebook, discord, twitter, etc), these tend to be the ones that seem like places you can build a foundation on, but really they are ephemeral and you can unilaterally lose access to years to decades at any time. Get the data exports if available regularly if you are using them.

Try to roll out your own internal commutation services in house if possible, it might be a hassle, but now you are likely seeing just how valuable it is to have true control over your own accounts.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by ivanmontillam »

posguy wrote: post #91
ivanmontillam wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The complaint here is that Discord is too popular among a generation of young business owners that put their livelihoods on the line in such an unreliable service, business-wise. Discord's marketing is too powerful for these business owners to consider safer, more reliable alternatives. Same story with Stripe, and similar services that cut lifelines with no recourse other than outcry in public forums like HN and Redd…

If your planning to use services that are ban happy like Discord, Stripe and ilk, make sure to document and communicate a fallback plan. For example, ensure you have a backup email address for those you communicate with on Discord, and convey an alternate communication method (Meet us on Matrix at XYZ!), or on the payments side plan on how to handle a PAN Data Export with a pre-selected vendor that is experienced in…

That's what I'm talking about, yes. Being fully aware of the platform risk, and managing that risk actively.

One could always understand the tradeoff (this ban happy service brings me more public, exposes me to leads, as opposed to: they ban on the slightest mistake and are misunderstanding), but as every risk: It should be managed with any of the four basic risk management actions:

- Elimination: which in this case, would be to not use that service at all

- Mitigation: reduce the risk the most (your example of backup exports, etc)

- Acceptance: being aware and recognize maybe alternatives are more costly than accepting the risk

- Transfer the risk: let someone else handle the risk for you (insurance, for example)

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by tester756 »

raverbashing wrote: post #111
gruez wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Every time I see a business inviting me to a Discord, I feel like I'm putting myself in a position to be mistreated either by the platform or by the company inviting me. I feel like they don't quite understand sound business principles like Platform Risk. >If keeping up the business afloat is your mission as a business owner, why'd you base your business off a platform you don't control? [...] Why is discord any dif…

> Why is discord any different than other platforms like office365 or AWS? It is different. Really Discord seems run by people with a vague understanding of security, attack vectors, let alone security best practices. (or maybe they are heavily biased towards the gaming audience - but regardless)

What do you mean?

Because they seem to be very competent when it comes to software creation

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by acdha »

MichaelZuo wrote: post #82
acdha wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS and Microsoft were both much larger companies with many years of successful operations by the time they launched cloud services. Discord is both younger as a company and still recently raising new funding founds. That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t rely on them but they’re definitely less proven.

Of course, which is why Discord charges much less then the several hundred dollars per year per seat that Microsoft does? What is the complaint here, that they're offering a much cheaper service with less credibility?

It’s not a complaint as much as a caution that they’re not coming from a business services world and have less experience with things like paid support or SLAs. That doesn’t mean you should never consider them but it does mean you should have serious conversations about what you’d do if they suddenly nuked your account & won’t even give you a way to contact them – plan for Google-level support, not AWS.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by KETHERCORTEX »

berkle4455 wrote: post #32
swyx wrote: post #6

i mean, Midjourney would beg to differ, I think they've done plenty well basing their business on discord.

Midjourney's business would be at least 10x what it is today if it wasn't for the utter dogshit Discord integration. I'll continue to give my money to inferior but technically capable companies instead. I don't want to navigate to a fucking chat channel to get my renders.

Last time I checked, they had a website where you can access your generated content. You should just log in with your Discord account.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

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Post by KETHERCORTEX »

playday wrote: post #58
jrockway wrote: post #18

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I doubt that Discord is the driver behind their success. They could have used IRC and people would go out of their way to engage with them because what they're doing was so interesting at the time. If they get banned from Discord, the vast majority of the community will move to wherever they go. This is a different situation than something like app stores where if Apple bans you, that's the end of your company. Users…

I wish they used irc instead of discord, the UX options available are much better. As it is I can barely use mid journey.

Does https://www.midjourney.com/app/ work better than interacting with Discord chat?
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