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Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#101

Post by CSMastermind »

atomicnumber3 wrote: post #79
VoodooJuJu wrote: post #63

So discord is something I use for voice-chatting and shitposting with friends, typically while also playing video games. Can anyone tell me why they would ever use it for anything remotely serious? Can you tell me why you'd want to stake your livelihood on a walled garden designed for video game voice chat and sharing rickroll videos? Not only that, I can't take seriously a business that uses discord. Like, what are…

Discord is a very featureful chat and voice app that is similar to slack in terms of managed-ness but they have completely different roots. Slack is basically just business email but IMing instead of email, if you know what I mean. It's very business. Business happens there. Synergy and collaboration and so on. Discord, meanwhile, grew out of some combination of gaming/tech IRC servers and gaming ventrilo and teamspe…

> Discord, meanwhile, grew out of some combination of gaming/tech IRC servers

For the record this is exactly where Slack came from as well.

From Wikipedia:

> Slack originated as an internal communication tool used within Stewart Butterfield's company, Tiny Speck, during their work on the development of Glitch, an online game. These communication tools were initially built around the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) protocol and included scripts designed to automate and organize file exchanges among their development team.

> In August 2013, Slack was launched to the public and continued to maintain compatibility with IRC, reflecting its origin. Additionally, it was also compatible with XMPP messaging protocols.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slack_(software)

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#102

Post by ChoHag »

HumanOstrich wrote: post #87
playday wrote: post #60

If you are relying on a third party social media platform for your business: - make sure you have at least 3 aged accounts that have full administrative privileges. When one gets banned make/buy a new one immediately. - never use a business account for personal reasons - use a third party service for the sms verification, and a unique email for each account. These three rules have kept me out of trouble in spite of r…

Where do you keep getting banned and why?

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Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#103

Post by bottiger1 »

nneonneo wrote: post #84
bottiger1 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was just a list of ASNs. There was no other information that would allow you to connect them to a user. And it was also not "malicious" as described by their email to me.

There are nearly 100,000 ASNs. Some are very small. An ASN is enough to identify a user's ISP - enough for someone significantly more malicious than you to, say, social engineer an ISP, report players to their ISP for "hacking" a site, or start correlating with their visitors. What we're also missing is the context. Did you share the ASNs for the purposes of, say, debugging a network connection? For statistical purpo…

Showing an ISP is NOT personal information, full stop.

If I say *Comcast* are you going to be able to track me down? No. There are millions of Comcast subscribers. Even if it was an ISP of 1 customer, that still isn't personal information. If the ISP happens to leak the customer information from social engineering, that's on the ISP, not me.

All ASNs are considered to be public information. You are required by internet registry rules to be listed in a public database for everyone to see. As far as I can tell, most people would agree that listing stats like this is not considered personal information.

I did not joke about it in any way. I showed people a list to demonstrate that we had a lot of users from Asia yet they did not use our servers in Asia. Even if I did joke about it, it still doesn't make this personal information.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#104

Post by playday »

HumanOstrich wrote: post #87
playday wrote: post #60

If you are relying on a third party social media platform for your business: - make sure you have at least 3 aged accounts that have full administrative privileges. When one gets banned make/buy a new one immediately. - never use a business account for personal reasons - use a third party service for the sms verification, and a unique email for each account. These three rules have kept me out of trouble in spite of r…

Where do you keep getting banned and why?

Platforms never tell me why I’ve been banned, so I don’t know. But I’ve been banned at some point by every social media platform I’ve used except hacker news and Google.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#105

Post by DJHenk »

gruez wrote: post #30
ivanmontillam wrote: post #28

I've always been wary of adopting Discord, at all. Every time I see a business inviting me to a Discord, I feel like I'm putting myself in a position to be mistreated either by the platform or by the company inviting me. I feel like they don't quite understand sound business principles like Platform Risk. If keeping up the business afloat is your mission as a business owner, why'd you base your business off a platfor…

>Every time I see a business inviting me to a Discord, I feel like I'm putting myself in a position to be mistreated either by the platform or by the company inviting me. I feel like they don't quite understand sound business principles like Platform Risk. >If keeping up the business afloat is your mission as a business owner, why'd you base your business off a platform you don't control? [...] Why is discord any dif…

> Why is discord any different than other platforms like office365 or AWS? Do you feel the same about companies using those platforms as well?

The difference is that Microsoft and AWS don't take on an active role in moderating what happens between the company and its users.

But yes, in a way they are similar and I do feel uneasy each time we take on a dependency on some AWS-specific feature where we could easily have build the component to be independent.

No one else seems to care though. Even worse, the CEO wants us to dig deep into AWS, because that somehow will make the customers trust us more.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#106

Post by telios »

CapstanRoller wrote: post #81

>They threatened to delete my server I really hate how Discord intentionally co-opted the word "server" in order to imply that one can somehow own or control a Discord account. Discord Inc owns and controls all the servers. There's no such thing as " your Discord server", there are only accounts on Discord's SaaS platform, which they can restrict/censor/ban/nuke at any time for any reason. It is not possible for indi…

For reference, the terminology they use for their API is "guilds." But since most other services in the space used the term "servers" (e.g. TeamSpeak and Mumble, where they were actual distinct servers), I can see why the UI doesn't say guilds.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#107

Post by msla »

HumanOstrich wrote: post #87
playday wrote: post #60

If you are relying on a third party social media platform for your business: - make sure you have at least 3 aged accounts that have full administrative privileges. When one gets banned make/buy a new one immediately. - never use a business account for personal reasons - use a third party service for the sms verification, and a unique email for each account. These three rules have kept me out of trouble in spite of r…

Where do you keep getting banned and why?

With enough moderators or administrators over a long enough timeframe, banning is semi-random and ultimately inevitable unless the user is Big-Name or the platform dies first. Misunderstandings, technical errors, and administrative misbehavior conspire to make it so.

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#108

Post by cudgy »

DJHenk wrote: post #105
gruez wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Every time I see a business inviting me to a Discord, I feel like I'm putting myself in a position to be mistreated either by the platform or by the company inviting me. I feel like they don't quite understand sound business principles like Platform Risk. >If keeping up the business afloat is your mission as a business owner, why'd you base your business off a platform you don't control? [...] Why is discord any dif…

> Why is discord any different than other platforms like office365 or AWS? Do you feel the same about companies using those platforms as well? The difference is that Microsoft and AWS don't take on an active role in moderating what happens between the company and its users. But yes, in a way they are similar and I do feel uneasy each time we take on a dependency on some AWS-specific feature where we could easily have…

Didn’t AWS pull the rug out from under a fledgling, but increasingly popular, social media site that never recovered from their actions “after the platform was deemed to be both "unwilling and unable" to address extremist speech”?

https://www.newsweek.com/amazon-web-services-parler-lawsuit-...

Re: PSA: Don't base your business around Discord.7yr account banned for posting ASNs

#110

Post by oneweekwonder »

CSMastermind wrote: post #101
atomicnumber3 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord is a very featureful chat and voice app that is similar to slack in terms of managed-ness but they have completely different roots. Slack is basically just business email but IMing instead of email, if you know what I mean. It's very business. Business happens there. Synergy and collaboration and so on. Discord, meanwhile, grew out of some combination of gaming/tech IRC servers and gaming ventrilo and teamspe…

> Discord, meanwhile, grew out of some combination of gaming/tech IRC servers For the record this is exactly where Slack came from as well. From Wikipedia: > Slack originated as an internal communication tool used within Stewart Butterfield's company, Tiny Speck, during their work on the development of Glitch, an online game. These communication tools were initially built around the Internet Relay Chat (IRC) protocol…

> However, in May 2018, the company chose to close down these corresponding gateways due to limitations inherent in those protocols.

It was a way to onboard tech people and once they were big enough they closed the door for those audience.

Which really hurt me because i live in a country with a small tech community and was happily interacting with them using irc, until slack changed into a walled garden.

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