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Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Years. What Will SCOTUS Do?

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Re: Police Seized Innocent Peoples Property, Kept It for Years. What Will SCOTUS Do?

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Post by eastbound »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #92
banannaise wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally speaking, the political argument against is "If you do anything that gives even the appearance of curtailing police powers in any way, we will create the illusion of a crime wave, attribute it to you, and absolutely hammer every form of media with that narrative." (If, God help you, you manage to pass a law that actually curtails police powers, they'll generally act in open defiance instead of doing their j…

No, I'm pretty sure the political argument is "if we stop doing this we'll have to raise taxes because it makes up a non insignificant portion of police revenue"

Police in France is something like 1 per 3000 or 6000 inhabitants. In USA it’s more around 1 per 300.

Which gives the ridiculous (to us) dozens of police cars flocking around a single criminal.

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Post by Retric »

enterprise_cog wrote: post #170
Retric wrote: post #169

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It just annoys me that people don’t understand the philosophy they expose. Marx was not the origin of Communism or the phrasing around means of production. The context for his writing wasn’t simply factory conditions being so bad he created an original ideology from whole cloth. Which is why he was credited with the Marxism not Communism.

This entire thread was in response to police stealing in the US, and someone responded referencing communists. Given they context, they were clearly talking about Marxism. The guy you responded to explicitly mentioned that. And then you go off on some other interpretation of the same words, clearly misinterpreting what they posted to argue some other point.

Assuming someone misspoke to support your point is a bit much.

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Post by MathMonkeyMan »

jltsiren wrote: post #102
banannaise wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Generally speaking, the political argument against is "If you do anything that gives even the appearance of curtailing police powers in any way, we will create the illusion of a crime wave, attribute it to you, and absolutely hammer every form of media with that narrative." (If, God help you, you manage to pass a law that actually curtails police powers, they'll generally act in open defiance instead of doing their j…

This is one of the things I don't understand about America. If this is really true, how can it possibly happen? I'm from one of the more stable countries in Europe. While there is corruption and abuse in the police, the average officer has greater loyalty to the system than to their superiors. Which means that if someone refuses to do their job, you can fire them and possibly charge them with crimes, and you will eve…

I don't know about averages, but I have known a cop who got into it for the sake of law and order, and promptly left after seeing how things were done. It must vary widely depending on the management, like any bureaucracy.

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Post by hedora »

klyrs wrote: post #130
hedora wrote: post #106

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I don't think the current Supreme Court is a credible source of information about US law. The fact that many of them belong to some organization lends it negative credibility in my mind.

I mean, they essentially write and rewrite laws that come before them. They're literally an authoritative source of law. We can scream about the injustice of that until we're blue in the face, but denying the facts doesn't get us anywhere.

Authority doesn’t imply credibility.

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Post by bashinator »

paulmd wrote: post #160
bashinator wrote: post #145

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Okay, let me rephrase. What should I be doing other than voting and working for causes I believe in. I’m not in an oppressed group unless you consider the entirety of the American public not part of the oligarchy to be such a group.

Or to put this in a little less dramatic way - what do you do when the leadership (C-suite, board, and middle managers) are running a company into the ground, abusing the employees, and won't listen to reason? You leave. You're not going to be able to do anything - the real world isn't a RPG where there is always a "good outcome" if you do the right thing. Sometimes all the options lead to bad outcomes. Well, this is…

Apologies, I was bringing problem-solving to an emotional support thread.

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Post by AtlasBarfed »

fakedang wrote: post #168
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #78

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It's happened in Minneapolis as well after the George Floyd. The solution to this is either: - setup a second security force to gradually replace them or - subdivide the coverage map into different districts, suss out the districts with poor performing management, then merge the territories of bad areas under the management of good areas or - subdivide responsibilities between violent crime, petty crime, and mundane…

Wait, cops in America aren't divided by roles? Huh, Til.

They'll have different duties, like traffic cop and patrol and detective, but they are all part of the same department and most go through the same training "school".

And, of course, they are all part of the same union.

By subdividing into distinct departments, it is the basic divide and conquer. And you can replace departments more readily: keep the traffic and crime investigation units, but replace the patrol cops that are refusing to do their jobs.

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Post by IIsi50MHz »

richardjam73 wrote: post #146
beej71 wrote: post #138

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(Did anyone ever solve the captcha loop issue with archive.*?)

Don't use cloudflare as DNS

This didn't initially work for me. I changed DNS server settings tore down all my outside connections (physically), brought them back up…nada. Still infinite loop. Then I remembered I have an on-device ad filter implemented as a VPN, toggled that off and nn again, and now it works without even presenting a captcha. So, thank you for point me in the right direction!

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Post by banannaise »

fakedang wrote: post #168
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's happened in Minneapolis as well after the George Floyd. The solution to this is either: - setup a second security force to gradually replace them or - subdivide the coverage map into different districts, suss out the districts with poor performing management, then merge the territories of bad areas under the management of good areas or - subdivide responsibilities between violent crime, petty crime, and mundane…

Wait, cops in America aren't divided by roles? Huh, Til.

Not officially. One of the effects of this is that if you crash your car, the guy who shows up to file a report has a loaded gun on his hip.
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