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Re: My Caste

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

b215826 wrote: post #141
aildours wrote: post #125

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Complete bs. >Caste-based surnames are extremely uncommon in South India (20% of India's population), and it's not even a recent thing. No, caste-based surnames are uncommon among some upper caste communities. A significant chunk (Gowdas, Reddys, Nairs etc.) have surnames strongly linked to castes. And what you might refer to being a "recent thing" is having a western style surname at all. >FWIW, as someone who has s…

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Did you read the RTI response? There’s no reservation for upper castes, yet the vast majority of faculty in all of the RTI response are upper caste

Re: My Caste

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Post by aildours »

b215826 wrote: post #141
aildours wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Complete bs. >Caste-based surnames are extremely uncommon in South India (20% of India's population), and it's not even a recent thing. No, caste-based surnames are uncommon among some upper caste communities. A significant chunk (Gowdas, Reddys, Nairs etc.) have surnames strongly linked to castes. And what you might refer to being a "recent thing" is having a western style surname at all. >FWIW, as someone who has s…

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> I can assure you that the vast majority of upper-caste people here don't use a caste-based surname anymore.

Oh, I don't need assuring for this, this was the point I was making! Basically, some south Indian upper castes use their father's first name as their surname. And this in itself is a strong signifier that the person is from the upper caste!

And yes, some surnames like Bulsara are linked to a place, some are neutral like Kumar, or some are rare enough to not signify caste unless you really know. So what? Even now, a large chunk of the Indian population uses caste-linked surnames, and it is one way they get discriminated. This is the point he makes when he says "Typically, one's surname (last name) is a giveaway".

> RTI responses will only tell you the number of candidates who were hired through caste-based reservation.

No, the RTI responses that he has linked is for the "breakdown of faculty members in the respective category of reservation..." (see the linked pdf for IITD, for example), not if they were hired through caste-based reservation. The category of reservation being information that every Indian citizen is asked to provide in government forms.

Re: My Caste

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Post by usr8new »

yieldcrv wrote: post #4

> An uninitiated might be forgiven for not realizing that caste-based discrimination is rampant in India Don’t mind all the people from India, outside of India, that will swear up and down that such thing doesn’t exist I feel like there is a group of people taking advantage of western sensitivities against “being insensitive”, and reappropriating it when convenient to deflect I’m glad Seattle passed a law against cas…

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Re: My Caste

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Post by Philpax »

varunpant wrote: post #162
rhaway84773 wrote: post #127

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And yet 1 out of 180 CS professors are OBCs despite the population being over 40%. It’s probably closer to the welfare queen trope. Yeah, there are a few people who cheat the system, like any other system in the world. Thaw existence of cheaters does not negate the very real problems and challenges faced by the actual “victims”.

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Yes, and?

Re: My Caste

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Post by crop_rotation »

alephnerd wrote: post #29

Depends on the region too. Part of my family is from a landowning/feudal caste (Chaudhary/Jatt and Pahari) that is traditionally Upper Caste but successfully lobbied to become counted as OBC/Lower Caste in order to avail affirmative action benefits. The Jatts side got reservation thanks to Congress [0] and the Pahari side got reservation thanks to the BJP [1] Edit: Lmfao this professor (Kuldeep Meel) is Jatt from His…

If he is so well off, I wonder if he would have even qualified for OBC considering the creamy layer income limits. I wonder if he got a fake income certificate to get himself below the limits to avail OBC reservations.

Re: My Caste

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Post by ae_throw »

AlbertCory wrote: post #148
911e wrote: post #42

This caste problems continue in the US, instead of leaving behind such ridiculous biases it becomes a part of an US company… https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/googles-caste-bias-pr...

Since this is about Google, where I worked: > The Google spokesperson said that caste discrimination has “no place in our workplace and it’s prohibited in our policies.” I can testify that Ads was very heavily Indian, much more than the general employee percentages would predict. I don't know if it still is. Sridhar Ramaswamy ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sridhar_Ramaswamy ) probably had something to do with that.…

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Re: My Caste

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Post by soligern »

balls187 wrote: post #166
soligern wrote: post #159

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Semantics may not be the most helpful during a discussion of this but neither is application of modes/solutions learnt from other forms of bigotry. The best way to kill the caste system is to forget about it which is in the process of happening. It’s not further entrenching yourself in that identity that may be necessary in more superficial forms of bigotry.

Does your proposed solution also include forgetting the benefits members of higher castes have historically received? Because that sounds a lot like telling someone to pull themselves up from their bootstraps after stealing their boots.

There’s already a 30-50% quota in most public institutions that is very successful at giving lower castes an advantage. No bootstraps required.

Will those affirmative actions extend how long the caste system stays around? Probably but they’re meant to be in place for a couple of generations (40-80 years) which should be an acceptable amount of time to level the field.

Re: My Caste

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Post by yttribium »

alephnerd wrote: post #106
rollcat wrote: post #89

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> While the atrocities and punishments by "upper" caste people on "lower" caste people continue, even OBCs oppress SCs and STs quite badly [...]. This is the step 1. in ensuring any oppressive system continues to be supported by a majority / critical mass of people, who are themselves subject to oppression: make sure there's someone even lower than you, on whom you can unleash your frustration.

The issue is OBC (Other Backwards Castes) was invented as a populist measure in 1992. After Independence, Affirmative Action/Reservation was created so Dalits and Nomadic Tribes who were traditionally outcastes in South Asian society could be integrated into society. Yet, in the 1980s-90s, Agrarian and Feudal Caste politicians like Mulayam Singh Yadav (Yadav), Lalu Prasad Yadav (Yadav), Chaudhary Charan Singh (Jatt),…

Identical phenomenon exists in US where groups with well above average incomes are considered officially "disadvantaged groups" for purposes of eg SBA loans.

Re: My Caste

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Post by usr8new »

grad_ml wrote: post #167
alephnerd wrote: post #145

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To be fair, getting in even with the Quota is extremely difficult. If difficulty without the quota is a 10, difficulty with the quota is more like a 9.7. If you were Forward Caste and rejected from CSE@IITB only because of a Caste Quota, you statistically would have ended up at CSE@IITK or EE@IITD, which has no meaningful difference. Belittling people who attended top programs on caste quotas is lame and mean.

Category : Cutoff Score for IIT ( out of 100) Common Rank List :90.7788642 (Brahmins, upper castes which Ycombinator hates) Gen-EWS:75.6229025 OBC-NCL:73.6114227 : Mr Kuldeep meel (based on his caste) SC:51.9776027 ST:37.2348772 PwD:0.0013527 I would say 73 is minuscule in comparison of 90. Kuldeep is a typical Kota kid, he is not someone coming out from rural India. I wish him best. Sad to see he stopped so low for…

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