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Re: My Caste

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Complete bs. >Caste-based surnames are extremely uncommon in South India (20% of India's population), and it's not even a recent thing. No, caste-based surnames are uncommon among some upper caste communities. A significant chunk (Gowdas, Reddys, Nairs etc.) have surnames strongly linked to castes. And what you might refer to being a "recent thing" is having a western style surname at all. >FWIW, as someone who has s…

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Re: My Caste

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Even though RTI queries to major IITs reveal that almost all faculty comes from un-reserved category, one needs more evidence (than this RTI data) to show that caste discrimination occurred. If there is an opening for two faculty positions in the IITM CS department esp in machine learning and AI, if 20 people are applied, two are selected, and two happened to be from un-reserved category. Does it prove caste-discrimi…

Even if the delta was the result of a lack of candidates from disadvantaged castes, to me that suggests that the discrimination already happened earlier, weeding out the disadvantaged castes before they could even become qualified candidates.

Equality of Opportunity vs. Equality of Outcome is a common dispute in these discussions. It also depends on the context: Equality of Opportunity at the n th step totally depends on Equality of Outcome at the n-1 th step. Who is responsible for every step in this process? Whoever responsible for this, it should not cause undue burden for other people, as it is not a zero-sum game.

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My sister who is pursuing PhD is from OBC. She is doing from one of the best colleges on earth. Really proud of her!

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What’s the hypothesized reason why American universities are evidently discriminating against OBC persons? To my knowledge most Americans know little to nothing about caste, few of us can reliably tell caste from name, and even if we could we wouldn’t care.

there is absolutely no evidence universities are discriminating against OBCs and the guy who wrote this post does not present any.

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pretty sure he would have posted his jee score if he got in without quota

To be fair, getting in even with the Quota is extremely difficult. If difficulty without the quota is a 10, difficulty with the quota is more like a 9.7.

If you were Forward Caste and rejected from CSE@IITB only because of a Caste Quota, you statistically would have ended up at CSE@IITK or EE@IITD, which has no meaningful difference.

Belittling people who attended top programs on caste quotas is lame and mean.

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So it’s like playing a fake victim card?

Not exactly. There is a very real economic divide between rural India and urban India. Even if you were from a feudal landlord family, 30 years ago you might have not even had running water or electricity. But at least you had a solid house, instead of living in a mud hut (if you were lucky) like most Dalits and Nomads in rural India back then. If someone from an elite rural family came to the city, their privilige a…

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UToronto alum myself. >as recognized by the constitution of India So you have a racist constitution. That's too bad. I hope Indians are striving to fix that. If you move the the US or Canada, please don't bring your racism with you - we already have enough of our own.

I haven't read the constitution of India, but perhaps the reason it's codified there is for affirmative action?

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This caste problems continue in the US, instead of leaving behind such ridiculous biases it becomes a part of an US company… https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/googles-caste-bias-pr...

Since this is about Google, where I worked:

> The Google spokesperson said that caste discrimination has “no place in our workplace and it’s prohibited in our policies.”

I can testify that Ads was very heavily Indian, much more than the general employee percentages would predict. I don't know if it still is. Sridhar Ramaswamy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sridhar_Ramaswamy) probably had something to do with that. From informal observation, IIT was a very common alma mater for them.

Yet, within the SmartASS team in Ads, a huge percentage of the engineers were Canadian. I worked in the office right next door to them for a while.

What does this tell you? People tend to refer their friends and give good recommendations to people they know. A Canadian is more likely to know other Canadians. So is that "discrimination?"

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It doesn’t work like that. This isn’t like racism where differences are immediately superficially apparent. You need to have conversations bordering on light interrogations to determine who is what.

Just because people from outside the caste system cannot spot it, and it is much jarder to spot than say discrmination against people of color or women, doesn't mean caste based discrimination isn't every single bit as racist as all other forms of racism.

I guess that depends on your definition of racism. Can people from the UK be racist to the Polish? If yes, fine. But technically it’s different from racism and more nationally based bigotry.

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To be woke is to be against colorblind treatment and to be for discrimination

Really? How so?

I think originally woke was shorthand for anti-racist (I don’t mind being corrected on this since I am not American). Unfortunately the term did not reach the UK in good enough time to be properly encoded in our Oxford English Dictionary and as a result the usage has gone rampant become diffuse! The meaning now seems to be converging on "I don’t agree with .".

Generally western laws would view caste-based discrimination as illegal and wrong. So, it would correct for an individual to express the same opinion in the West, even if that opinion disturbs the ideas and beliefs of a subset of the population attached to someone else’s culture.

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