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Re: My Caste

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Post by 542458 »

raincom wrote: post #115

Even though RTI queries to major IITs reveal that almost all faculty comes from un-reserved category, one needs more evidence (than this RTI data) to show that caste discrimination occurred. If there is an opening for two faculty positions in the IITM CS department esp in machine learning and AI, if 20 people are applied, two are selected, and two happened to be from un-reserved category. Does it prove caste-discrimi…

Even if the delta was the result of a lack of candidates from disadvantaged castes, to me that suggests that the discrimination already happened earlier, weeding out the disadvantaged castes before they could even become qualified candidates.

Re: My Caste

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alephnerd wrote: post #29

Depends on the region too. Part of my family is from a landowning/feudal caste (Chaudhary/Jatt and Pahari) that is traditionally Upper Caste but successfully lobbied to become counted as OBC/Lower Caste in order to avail affirmative action benefits. The Jatts side got reservation thanks to Congress [0] and the Pahari side got reservation thanks to the BJP [1] Edit: Lmfao this professor (Kuldeep Meel) is Jatt from His…

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Re: My Caste

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Post by alephnerd »

WesolyKubeczek wrote: post #121
alephnerd wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is OBC (Other Backwards Castes) was invented as a populist measure in 1992. After Independence, Affirmative Action/Reservation was created so Dalits and Nomadic Tribes who were traditionally outcastes in South Asian society could be integrated into society. Yet, in the 1980s-90s, Agrarian and Feudal Caste politicians like Mulayam Singh Yadav (Yadav), Lalu Prasad Yadav (Yadav), Chaudhary Charan Singh (Jatt),…

So it’s like playing a fake victim card?

Not exactly.

There is a very real economic divide between rural India and urban India.

Even if you were from a feudal landlord family, 30 years ago you might have not even had running water or electricity. But at least you had a solid house, instead of living in a mud hut (if you were lucky) like most Dalits and Nomads in rural India back then.

If someone from an elite rural family came to the city, their privilige automatically becomes moot because in a purely capitalist society Money begets Privilige.

In the 1990s-to-present, there was a massive migration from rural India to cities, and a number of formerly priviliged Men (it's men who become migrant workers) were at the bottom rung of the urban social ladder. And they were/are PISSED. So in retaliation, they began organizing their own Castes to fight for political power and quotas.

Also, in India, Affirmative Action is a Quota System, unlike the US where Quotas are unconstitutional. This means you are playing a Zero Sum game where one family's Affirmative Action might doom your family to poverty.

This makes the situation highly volatile.

Re: My Caste

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Post by hef19898 »

soligern wrote: post #102
petesergeant wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I worked in 3 different companies (Hyderabad, Bangalore) in South India and did not see any evidence of caste discrimination Are you of a member of a discriminated-against caste? If not, it may simply be it wasn't visible to you.

It doesn’t work like that. This isn’t like racism where differences are immediately superficially apparent. You need to have conversations bordering on light interrogations to determine who is what.

Just because people from outside the caste system cannot spot it, and it is much jarder to spot than say discrmination against people of color or women, doesn't mean caste based discrimination isn't every single bit as racist as all other forms of racism.

Re: My Caste

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Post by intrasight »

UToronto alum myself.

>as recognized by the constitution of India

So you have a racist constitution. That's too bad. I hope Indians are striving to fix that.

If you move the the US or Canada, please don't bring your racism with you - we already have enough of our own.

Re: My Caste

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Post by alephnerd »

b215826 wrote: post #129
alephnerd wrote: post #29

Depends on the region too. Part of my family is from a landowning/feudal caste (Chaudhary/Jatt and Pahari) that is traditionally Upper Caste but successfully lobbied to become counted as OBC/Lower Caste in order to avail affirmative action benefits. The Jatts side got reservation thanks to Congress [0] and the Pahari side got reservation thanks to the BJP [1] Edit: Lmfao this professor (Kuldeep Meel) is Jatt from His…

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It's happened almost everywhere in India.

The only states I know that have been immune to this shit are Kerala and Himachal Pradesh because the leadership in both states forced land reform very early in their existence, which meant all rural people were essentially equal economically.

Re: My Caste

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Post by Manuel_D »

hef19898 wrote: post #91
crop_rotation wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caste based reservations in the private sector will be the end of any chance of India becoming a more prosperous nation. In public sector, the reservations are not limited to getting a job, but the promotions as well. In some public sectors, the promotion schedule gets accelerated basis caste. Sure, a lot needs to be done for a more equal society where everyone has the same opportunities, but private sector reservati…

Yes, because history showed us that equal societies, compared to centemporary pears, fare muchuch worse than those discriminating. Or rather not.

Equal societies indeed make better use of human capital than societies that discriminate and waste otherwise valuable skills. But equality is not the same thing as equity.

Re: My Caste

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Post by h4ch1 »

neilk wrote: post #124
h4ch1 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reservation is necessary for 2-3 generations to uplift, anything further than that is just the reverse of casteism. Tell that to my OBC friends who paid 5% of our school fees while they were dropped in Audis.

Yeah, and you can always tell someone's full financial position from little details like that. (eyeroll) So someone who got a benefit from the state that addresses a serious, well-proven injustice, and wasn't crawling on their knees and begging for it. Sounds like the system is working. Even if your anecdote is real, and their use of an Audi indicated they were well able to pay full school fees, so what? We give such…

"little details": In a country where an Audi is a huge luxury, yeah you can tell enough.

That also means they have the resources to compete fairly with their peers and choose not to by invoking their OBC class, which in all practicality has NO affect on their life.

The point was a generation before had reaped the benefits of reservation and anything further was exploitation. That family was not treated, nor lived as an OBC. The system worked, its stoppage is overdue by at least 20 years.

Re: My Caste

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Post by pexabit »

grad_ml wrote: post #107
alephnerd wrote: post #29

Depends on the region too. Part of my family is from a landowning/feudal caste (Chaudhary/Jatt and Pahari) that is traditionally Upper Caste but successfully lobbied to become counted as OBC/Lower Caste in order to avail affirmative action benefits. The Jatts side got reservation thanks to Congress [0] and the Pahari side got reservation thanks to the BJP [1] Edit: Lmfao this professor (Kuldeep Meel) is Jatt from His…

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pretty sure he would have posted his jee score if he got in without quota
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