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Re: My Caste

#101

Post by crop_rotation »

hef19898 wrote: post #91
crop_rotation wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caste based reservations in the private sector will be the end of any chance of India becoming a more prosperous nation. In public sector, the reservations are not limited to getting a job, but the promotions as well. In some public sectors, the promotion schedule gets accelerated basis caste. Sure, a lot needs to be done for a more equal society where everyone has the same opportunities, but private sector reservati…

Yes, because history showed us that equal societies, compared to centemporary pears, fare muchuch worse than those discriminating. Or rather not.

I am not getting your point, if you were making any. Regardless of what history shows, almost everyone will agree that we must have equal opportunities for all people, for a humane society.

Re: My Caste

#102

Post by soligern »

petesergeant wrote: post #97
isanjay wrote: post #33

I worked in 3 different companies (Hyderabad, Bangalore) in South India and did not see any evidence of caste discrimination. Or even people talking about discrimination in office. While I did see discrimination in college, which was in a rural town in South India.

> I worked in 3 different companies (Hyderabad, Bangalore) in South India and did not see any evidence of caste discrimination Are you of a member of a discriminated-against caste? If not, it may simply be it wasn't visible to you.

It doesn’t work like that. This isn’t like racism where differences are immediately superficially apparent. You need to have conversations bordering on light interrogations to determine who is what.

Re: My Caste

#104

Post by timmytokyo »

banshiram123 wrote: post #72
911e wrote: post #42

This caste problems continue in the US, instead of leaving behind such ridiculous biases it becomes a part of an US company… https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/googles-caste-bias-pr...

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California is about to pass a caste discrimination ban [1].

[1] https://www.reuters.com/world/us/california-moves-closer-his...

Re: My Caste

#105

Post by petesergeant »

soligern wrote: post #102
petesergeant wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I worked in 3 different companies (Hyderabad, Bangalore) in South India and did not see any evidence of caste discrimination Are you of a member of a discriminated-against caste? If not, it may simply be it wasn't visible to you.

It doesn’t work like that. This isn’t like racism where differences are immediately superficially apparent. You need to have conversations bordering on light interrogations to determine who is what.

That is in contrast to the article, which says:

> Typically, one's surname (last name) is a giveaway and most Indians can reasonably identify someone's caste based on the last name

Re: My Caste

#106

Post by alephnerd »

rollcat wrote: post #89
wtmt wrote: post #45

The caste system in India is layered like onions. The author says he was born as OBC (Other Backward Classes), but that's not the lowest in the overall scheme. SC (Scheduled Castes) are considered lower in the hierarchy. ST (Scheduled Tribes) are considered even lower (there are variations across states and regions, so please take this with a pinch of salt). While the atrocities and punishments by "upper" caste peopl…

> While the atrocities and punishments by "upper" caste people on "lower" caste people continue, even OBCs oppress SCs and STs quite badly [...]. This is the step 1. in ensuring any oppressive system continues to be supported by a majority / critical mass of people, who are themselves subject to oppression: make sure there's someone even lower than you, on whom you can unleash your frustration.

The issue is OBC (Other Backwards Castes) was invented as a populist measure in 1992.

After Independence, Affirmative Action/Reservation was created so Dalits and Nomadic Tribes who were traditionally outcastes in South Asian society could be integrated into society.

Yet, in the 1980s-90s, Agrarian and Feudal Caste politicians like Mulayam Singh Yadav (Yadav), Lalu Prasad Yadav (Yadav), Chaudhary Charan Singh (Jatt), Bal Thackarey (Maratha), YRS Reddy (Reddy), etc began pushing to expand Affirmative Action to include those castes that are traditionally Feudal Lords/Zamindars and oppressed Dalits and Nomads.

When this expansion began in 1992, every single non-Dalit caste saw that if they could lobby hard enough, they could also be give guarunteed Affirmative Action for college admissions, government jobs, welfare, etc.

This is why even some Brahmin majority castes like Paharis were given Affimative Action by being treated as an OBC or Scheduled Tribe.

Re: My Caste

#107

Post by grad_ml »

alephnerd wrote: post #29

Depends on the region too. Part of my family is from a landowning/feudal caste (Chaudhary/Jatt and Pahari) that is traditionally Upper Caste but successfully lobbied to become counted as OBC/Lower Caste in order to avail affirmative action benefits. The Jatts side got reservation thanks to Congress [0] and the Pahari side got reservation thanks to the BJP [1] Edit: Lmfao this professor (Kuldeep Meel) is Jatt from His…

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Re: My Caste

#108

Post by [deleted] »

teachrdan wrote: post #5
LordShredda wrote: post #2

Would it be possible for the government to 'phase out' last names and instead rely on other forms of identification? Instead of putting in your name in an application form, you just list an id number and your address. Then when you show up, you only mention your first and middle name.

I just posted this on a probably-dead thread about caste discrimination, but the short of it is the folks who wish to discriminate by caste have a variety of ways to determine what your caste is. From the Vice article below: Indians will not ask outright what caste you are, as it’s seen as overly discriminatory, but they use more subtle methods to identify your place in the caste structure. “Sometimes they ask, ‘Are…

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Re: My Caste

#109

Post by hef19898 »

crop_rotation wrote: post #101
hef19898 wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, because history showed us that equal societies, compared to centemporary pears, fare muchuch worse than those discriminating. Or rather not.

I am not getting your point, if you were making any. Regardless of what history shows, almost everyone will agree that we must have equal opportunities for all people, for a humane society.

Including the civil sector? Enforced by law, if discrination isn't going away by itself? Yes, I am all for that!

Re: My Caste

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Post by isanjay »

petesergeant wrote: post #105
soligern wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t work like that. This isn’t like racism where differences are immediately superficially apparent. You need to have conversations bordering on light interrogations to determine who is what.

That is in contrast to the article, which says: > Typically, one's surname (last name) is a giveaway and most Indians can reasonably identify someone's caste based on the last name

That only applies to Northern part of the country. In south each state has it's own language and there is no way an outside state person can know your caste without asking
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