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The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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> Everyone who serves HTTP in the Eu and includes third party tracking, shows you an idiosyncratic consent banner. Often these things download a large amount of JS as well. > That’s completely and utterly idiotic. Yes. And that's not the fault of the law, but the fault of the companies. 1. The law doesn't talk about browsers, or cookies, or banners. It's a General Data Protection Regulation. It applies in equal measu…

I’m not attacking the law. I’m attacking the implementation and the lack of Web standards to accommodate user privacy.

They had such a standard called Do Not Track. It was used by the ad industry to track users. So Do Not Track was removed.

So why would companies who don't give two shits about user privacy bother with any implementation or standards? The law already tells them to provide a yes/no option, and yet here we are.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Is EU really trying to slow it down? TikTok ban in US seems to be a common talking point. Meanwhile here very few people talk about it and those are seen as lunatics in most cases. Most people seem to happily approve all the GDPR dialogs too. While doomscrolling TikTok/Instagram/FB.

When you have a truly compliant gdpr dialog, aka simple yes/no, I found lots of non tech people around me click no. I'd say about 50%

When Apple implemented "Ask app to not track", the click through on "Ask to not track" was 90%.

People care about this, so no wonders the industry as a whole is up in arms about it.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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> it doesn't hurt that economically, consumer wealth in Europe is falling like a rock Falling like a rock? Where is this comming from? What Europe are you talking about? The EU, the continent, the eurozone, the UK, Russia? Granted, high inflation, primarily caused by higher energy prices after the Russian invasion of Ukraine, has slowed down consumer spending in the EU, but generally speaking the outlook isn't that b…

Damn I knew the EU wasn't in a great place from the last few years but I didn't realize it's post covid recovery was so horrible compared to the USA. Hopefully they can turn it around!

We won't. We don't have much resources anymore to extract from the soil, unlike the US. Most Europe is not like Norway and Findland with their oil.

We barely invest in the important revolutions, like machine learning.

We constantly make our talents flee. Did you know hugging face founders were French? But they went to the US to be able to raise money.

Will will hold, because weather and land are very favorable, and education is not yet completely destroyed. But that's it.

Ironically, if you have money, it makes it a very nice place to live in because everything is protected at some level.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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So many words to defend the indefensible. Its not a "war", it is asserting the collective will of an entire continent (made up of fairly diverse cultures and a long history of painful social strife, political and racial oppression and persecution). The aim is to close Pandora's box that was (as it happened) opened by the amoral and asocial advertising industry that cannot see beyond its (admittedly long) nose.

The issue is not advertising, the issue is the construction, classification and use of human profiles through the collection of behavioral data, by-and-large without the subjects being aware or cognizant of the possible short and long-term implications. Once that practice has been legitimized and proven ultra-lucrative and empowering for its practitioners it has undermined the very foundation of digital society.

Just to be clear, there is nothing the adtech industry can do to assure us that behavioral targeting can be made safe. The large scale processing of human behavioral data followed by the direct algorithmic application of real life actions is a weapon of mass social destruction. It is inherently dangerous and should be outlawed. Full stop.

There is a case to be made for taming the nuclear energy of behavioral data in reactors (as opposed to bombs). But the architecture of such systems will be dramatically different to the digital wild-west regime that has been inflicted on society. Consequently also highly regulated with countless lead layers of protection (and thus also far less lucrative / interesting for the digital cowboys).

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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I think the author has the terms "opt-in" and "opt-out" reversed, which was a bit confusing. If something is "opt-in", then you have to explicitly decide to opt-in, which means that by default you won't be included. A good example of this is organ donation. Some countries have it opt-in (i.e., you have to decide to donate), whereas in other countries it is opt-out (so you are a donor by default).

"opt-in by default" kinda makes sense as a combination of words, but you're right that people just usually call it "opt-out" (and vice versa)

To opt-in to something means to consent to it, to enable it, to take action to have it.

So "opt-in by default" doesn't make any sense.

However, I do see this opposite usage increasingly often, which means "opt-in" shouldn't be used any more.

Using "on by default", "enabled by default", "off by default", "disabled by default" would be clear and make sense.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/consent-o-mat... This should make it a lot easier :) It auto-handles most gdpr permission walls, and yes, you can set it to reject all - that's what I do! (I'm sure this exists for Chrome, too, but if you care about this sort of thing you really should be using Firefox!)

Thank you for this; I've been manually unticking everything since these regulations came into effect and have to admit it was getting a bit tiring (plus sometimes I was too hasty and accidentally clicked "Accept" when the cookie buttons were in a weird order or had non-standard wording.) I hope this helps me decline all the things more efficiently.

Just remove the dialogs with ublock filters; this is supposed to mean no consent. Most spy networks don't care and track before you click anyway.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Which is illegal.

Except it's not. Which is why people aren't being punished for it and more sites adopt it daily.

Poland already has a case against the most malevolent one, IAB, in progress.

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> If what you say here is accurate, that's all very good news. Ummm. Except for the part where basically a few players will have a monopoly on online advertising. It's really a slow return to how TV advertising and etc worked. > continues to be at war with people who don't want to be tracked How so? There are infinitely more privacy rules and safeguards than there were a decade ago. Let alone the amount of tools like…

I find both hotel and phone book examples pretty weak. Neither proves we got a lot of privacy. Temporary sleeping with a stranger while traveling is loss of fonfort, but nit meaningful loss of privacy. With phonebook, you could ask to be omitted and more famous people routinelly did that. Also, information about you was very limited. Stalker or violent ex could use it, but it would be impossible to si thousands of st…

The examples were about awareness of the concept of privacy, not privacy per se.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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I think this will evolve advertising in interesting ways. "Ads 1.0" had a viewpoint of trying to scrape every last little bit of data about a user's interests: from their email, messages, calendar, search history, friendships, and discussions. There was a mental model that you can't really know what's going to resonate with a person until you have their life under a microscope. This the "surveillance capitalism" take…

Your second model of advertising ("humans may not be as complicated") is how advertising worked for thousands of years, and how it continues to work today. Even for Google and Facebook, the vast majority of ad spend is not narrowly targeted.

What you call "Ads 1.0" is a snakeoil fad and isn't successful in the industry.

The reason the big Internet giants collect user data isn't really for advertising (that's only a justification), they do it to have leverage when dealing with nation-states and governments.

t. Working in the ad industry for the last 17 years.

Re: The EU's war on behavioral advertising

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Unfortunately, it's really the EU regulators at war with companies' abilities to make better products.

Advertising is not a product

Of course it is. Start your own business and see how far you get without a quality advertising product.
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