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Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by mollybee »

hinkley wrote: post #64
hartator wrote: post #23

Funny this is one of the most distracting blog posts I've read in a bit. Emojis everywhere, boxes, Intercom, sign up to the newsletter, animations, confusing wordings, multiple colors for the text. I doubt the author has a grasping of ADHD.

I know a pair of BFFs who both have ADD. Watching them try to have one conversation is quite eye opening. And a bit exhausting. I'm thinking back to every conversation I've ever had with a polymath or a person with ADD and asking myself, "man, is this what everyone else experienced listening to me?" No wonder the conversations always devolved to 1:1. People with ADD understand why they shouldn't distract others, but…

I'm curious, why are you so concerned about how ADHD affects people who don't have ADHD? What makes you think we "shouldn't distract others?" Have you considered that the problem might be failure to accommodate ADHD brains rather than people with ADHD not complying with arbitrary neurotypical standards?

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by jeznag »

I've been using Shimmer for close to a year now and would highly recommend it. Have found it really useful and it's worth the money. I go over super specific issues with my coach each week in the 15 minute sessions: e.g. how do I prepare for a work trip without being late for my plane/forgetting half the stuff I need, how do I avoid being accidentally grumpy with my colleagues.

I've written a detailed review here: https://www.focusbear.io/blog-post/my-thoughts-on-shimmer-ca...

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by datavirtue »

com2kid wrote: post #146
thenerdhead wrote: post #138

I see a hundred of these companies that apparently "specialize in ADHD". I see them all in the same light unfortunately of profiteering in various ways around the incompetent medical system the US has. Is this a better price than a licensed therapist? Yes Is this a more practical solution than what you might get? Yes But it just feels ethically wrong to promote your services to people who are "undiagnosed" or "think…

> Is this a better price than a licensed therapist? Yes Good luck finding a licensed therapist who has bookings or availability. In Seattle I have had almost 0 luck over multiple years, and I have talked to many other people who have had the exact same amount of luck. The very few therapists around here who do specialize in ADHD either specialize in children, or they are so booked up they don't even bother with a wai…

Yeah, and if you do manage to jam your foot in the door at one of those places they just look at you sideways.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by [deleted] »

munk-a wrote: post #98
rendx wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I merely asked a question about the team's position on it. To pick a random study of many: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29086104/ "Children with ADHD were more likely than controls to have ever experienced a traumatic event (27 vs 16%; OR: 1.99; 95% CI 1.21, 3.27). This difference remained significant in the adjusted model (OR: 1.76, 95% CI 1.03, 3.01) accounting for child factors (age and gender) and family socio…

I think this is a much better expression of your point as it makes clear that there is a correlation within a subset of people who have ADHD - rather than implying that all people with ADHD were exposed to trauma as children. Everything brain related is extremely complicated and there are quite a few comorbidities that have already been identified (the ASD-ADHD link for instance) and it's quite possible there is a li…

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Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by mollybee »

rendx wrote: post #93
kelseyfrog wrote: post #85

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The way the theory is phrased makes it unscientific and the HN community in general tends to be especially critical when that occurs. I also want to add that the scientific-ness of it or not doesn't invalidate it as an explanatory device in your personal journey - they are on orthogonal axes.

I merely asked a question about the team's position on it. To pick a random study of many: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29086104/ "Children with ADHD were more likely than controls to have ever experienced a traumatic event (27 vs 16%; OR: 1.99; 95% CI 1.21, 3.27). This difference remained significant in the adjusted model (OR: 1.76, 95% CI 1.03, 3.01) accounting for child factors (age and gender) and family socio…

"Correlation" is the key word here. I think it's really important to keep in mind that a lot of people with ADHD have childhood trauma because of how adults responded to their ADHD symptoms. In my case, I have plenty of trauma, almost all of which was the direct results of adults shaming and criticizing me for traits that turned out to be due to ADHD. If your ADHD makes it impossible for you to focus in school, and the adults in your life shame and yell at you every day because you can't focus in school, you're going to have both trauma and ADHD. There's also a solid chance you'll end up with some anxiety and depression. All we know is that a) there's a correlation, b) lots of people with ADHD don't have severe childhood trauma, and c) it's a huge stretch to assume that every person with ADHD is repressing severely traumatic childhood events and never finding out about it. I think it's potentially plausible that generational trauma might have an epigenetic impact, but we'd need a lot more data to know that.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by datavirtue »

ModernMech wrote: post #190
christalwang wrote: post #182

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I'm super sorry to hear about your ex wife. I have someone close to me in the same situation and we've also been battling it for our whole lives. No need to apologize for the rant, I'm also here being mad for you (for us)!!

Well you’re doing something at least. I’m trying to get my adhd diagnosed after my mom refused when I was a kid, and I’ve been self medicating my whole life with caffeine and weed, unaware I even could have this disorder. I thought it was just being a hyperactive kid — that wasn’t me. But then I learned about all the symptoms as an adult. Yup, I’ve got ‘em all, like friggen ash catchem. I feel like a lot of adults fa…

Sweet summer child. Insurance will pay for it. You just have to spend $5000 of your time nagging them.

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by christalwang »

pedalpete wrote: post #139

I'm curious if you looked at neurofeedback/neurostimulation as an alternative to therapy based intervention when looking at your offering. I don't have ADHD, but met the founders of https://neurode.com 2 days ago, and I'm in the neurotech space. I'm surprised to see coaching based solutions continue to exist in a space where more direct interventions exist. Can you give some of your thinking on this?

Thank you for sharing your experiences - neurofeedback/ neurostimulation is indeed a novel and promising pathway to, ultimately, improving quality of life for those who has ADHD. While we can't talk about all of coaching since it differs, our coaching offer which is informed by the 3rd wave cognitive and behavioural psychological approaches, is situated firmly within the practices that were demonstrated to be useful and helpful to those with ADHD. This is supported by the ongoing research in coaching and psychotherapy. In addition, our view is that it is a combination of different types of interventions which really makes a difference for those with ADHD. I am eagerly watching the progression of Neurode though, and the trials!

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by christalwang »

mollybee wrote: post #218
esharte wrote: post #84

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"Coaching works best for those who are ready for forward movement" Meaning "if our product doesn't work, it's really your fault"

The sentence could definitely be worded better. When I first read it, I had a similar thought, but upon further reading, I realized I was making a very large and unfair assumption. It's not exactly a secret that people who are already doing pretty well are the ones who have the energy and capacity to make further progress. Struggling with mental health issues, especially executive dysfunction, makes it harder to to d…

Thank you for sharing your thought process & feedback taken on the wording. I'll go back to this one. And I really do appreciate you sharing your personal story. Especially the last part where you acknowledge that we wouldn't have kept coaching if you weren't in the right space. This is true in that we have gently recommended pauses to several members when they weren't in the right headspace to continue with coaching and weren't in a space to benefit. This is true across most coaching modalities, in terms of the focus on forward movement and the need for the capacity to support this. I personally have both a founder coach and an ADHD coach, and can attest to the amount of work necessary outside of sessions to create sustainable results. Once again, thank you for sharing your story, and wholeheartedly agree that it's not about "fault", just about fit!

Re: Show HN: Shimmer – ADHD coaching for adults, now on web

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Post by christalwang »

deciduously wrote: post #118
esharte wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Coaching works best for those who are ready for forward movement" Meaning "if our product doesn't work, it's really your fault"

Come on, that's unfair. It's one thing to be sceptical about this particular product, but the assertion that outside of a clinical, targetted environment, people need to want to receive the help they're getting to benefit is not controversial. If you obstinately refuse to read any courseware or attend any lectures, do you turn around and blame the school when you fail to learn anything from a class?

Thank you!
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