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Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by aikinai »

throwway120385 wrote: post #42
dylan604 wrote: post #34

there are things that happen in one's life that dramatically impact the rest of one's life from that point forward. when i was in school looking at college, i very nearly became a submariner. as it happens, i was third in the list, but they only took the top two. at the time, it was devastatingly disappointing. these oh so many years later with hindsight and all that, i'm no longer disappointed. i can't see how the d…

I almost did the same thing in the US after graduating college. The signing bonus for nuclear power school was intriguingly large to me, and the job would have meant a steady source of income which I didn't have many prospects for at the time. Thank god I did not do that.

I didn’t actually get to the point of applying but I also remember seriously considering that nuclear engineer offer back in college! It seemed like a sweet deal at the time.

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by jimmyswimmy »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #9

>TCPO ‘Tug’ Wilson in the weapons room (AKA ‘bomb shop’). Crew members often hug the cruise missiles to stay cool while they sleep. Is it that hot in the submarine that you have to sleep naked and hug torpedoes to stay cool while you sleep? Is there no form of climate control? On US submarines it must be much cooler as everyone is wearing thick overalls[1] and even winter clothing in the torpedo bay. [1] https://yout…

Yes, it can be that hot; I cuddled nude with a TLAM in the Carribbean to stay cool. I think UK boats were built for colder waters; the ventilation couldn't keep up on the deck in the shallow, warm waters.

Things are certainly not made for comfort. In cool waters my blanket wasn't wide enough to protect me from accidentally touching the weapon in my sleep. They're a great heat sink and suck the heat out of you, whether you want it or not.

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Post by JackFr »

dylan604 wrote: post #89
stevenwoo wrote: post #88

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Me, too, the bonus must be just enough for them to fill the ranks. They must send that brochure to every graduating electrical engineer. One of my uncles did that in the 1970-80s and ended up working at a nuclear power plant for the rest of his civilian career. It's a living, though the number/location of civilian jobs in the USA probably is not great.

That was what I was being sold. Do 20 years in the service, then retire with a pension at the age of 38. Do another 20 years in a civilian role, then retire with a second pension before turning 60. I didn't buy it.

I worked at a defense contractor in my twenties and felt like a sucker cause all the managers in in their forties had full pensions.

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by dylan604 »

JackFr wrote: post #93
dylan604 wrote: post #89

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That was what I was being sold. Do 20 years in the service, then retire with a pension at the age of 38. Do another 20 years in a civilian role, then retire with a second pension before turning 60. I didn't buy it.

I worked at a defense contractor in my twenties and felt like a sucker cause all the managers in in their forties had full pensions.

That's what it comes down to in life though, right? What ever you choose, it will be wrong compared to someone else

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Post by vixen99 »

hilbert42 wrote: post #90
deanCommie wrote: post #85

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"There are tens, hundreds of thousands of others like you on the internet" I've never mentioned this matter on the internet previously. And I do treat women equally both as colleagues at work and elsewhere and have always done so. The difference comes when someone is aggressive towards me. With a male I'll stand ground and argue back (but not physically), with a female I'll walk away. It's the prudent thing to do.

I'm wondering what -arguing physically- might be.

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Post by DaiPlusPlus »

snypher wrote: post #87
mcpackieh wrote: post #69

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Ironically, such malicious interpretations of casual remarks are probably the sort of thing hilbert42 is worried about. Walking defensively on eggshells in the office is one thing, at least at the end of the day you can go home and breath easy, but sealed in a metal tube under the ocean, where you have to guard what you say at all times even in your sleep? No thanks, not for me.

It seems to be indicated in the subtext of your wording, even in this comment you stated "eggshells"/"breathe easy"; if your natural behavior does not align with your workplace policy wrt not devaluing someone of the opposite sex, then yes you should seek some behavior modification. Edit; to address the original comment >Similarly, I wouldn't expect my employer to allow me to work for eight hours per day under such r…

> It seems to be indicated in the subtext of your wording, even in this comment you stated "eggshells"/"breathe easy"; if your natural behavior does not align with your workplace policy wrt not devaluing someone of the opposite sex, then yes you should seek some behavior modification.

I take it you aren’t familiar with autism - or what it’s like to be high-functioning on-the-spectrum then?

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Post by tpurves »

sklargh wrote: post #51

A friend of mine once described his submerged time on a submarine as “like prison, but without the possibility of escape.”

I think about that sort of description when people talk about colonizing space, or mars or the moon. Would it even be ethical to bear children on such a colony who, not by choice, would have to live their lives confined to a cramped habitat that would probably feel a lot like living in a submarine?

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by Retric »

snypher wrote: post #87
mcpackieh wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ironically, such malicious interpretations of casual remarks are probably the sort of thing hilbert42 is worried about. Walking defensively on eggshells in the office is one thing, at least at the end of the day you can go home and breath easy, but sealed in a metal tube under the ocean, where you have to guard what you say at all times even in your sleep? No thanks, not for me.

It seems to be indicated in the subtext of your wording, even in this comment you stated "eggshells"/"breathe easy"; if your natural behavior does not align with your workplace policy wrt not devaluing someone of the opposite sex, then yes you should seek some behavior modification. Edit; to address the original comment >Similarly, I wouldn't expect my employer to allow me to work for eight hours per day under such r…

Out of context quotes miss the point. His complaint was around perception not actually devaluation of people.

It’s clear how you should treat people in a 100% professional environment, but subs are an odd middle ground. It’s the same reason many people dislike going drinking with coworkers except extended across months.

Hell the article ends with her getting court marshaled for sending the subs location to her boyfriend in an email. Making such a mistake with classified material is normally easy to avoid, but on a sub everyone you’re talking to for months has clearance so it’s easy to stop thinking about it. Until whoops you’re facing criminal consequences.

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tpmx wrote: post #27
duxup wrote: post #23

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I worry that MAD requires the other actors to have accurate information, and act rationally. When an “insane” person makes the call I fear the entire system of deterrence falls apart…

I don't think Putin is insane. If he were we'd all be dead by now. Also: Suicidal people don't go to lengths to murder former threats to make a point, like he did today with the Wagner Group leadership.

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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Post by throeu73848 »

deanCommie wrote: post #85
hilbert42 wrote: post #80

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"Why be EXTRA courteous to women? Already reveals you think of them as different." Because that's the ways boys were taught by BOTH schools and their parents when I was a kid not only from our youngest age but also it was reinforced throughout highschool until we left. This was sacrosanct value of good behavior in our society until recently. It's a damn shame that you and others like you are not old enough to have a…

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