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Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by hardware2win »

majewsky wrote: post #63
hardware2win wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You believe that companies shouldnt ad their other services in their products? I disagree. Ecosystems enable better ux, look at Apple. Also nobody prevents you from moving your files from OneDrive to e.g Google Or using Google docs instead of MS Word

This is not informing about other services, this is pushing them on them with sleezy tactics. The article calls out that MS refers to this as "second-chance out of the box experience", or in plain English, "you did not want this the first time, but we need this for our bottom line, so get ready to have this shoved down your throat". I would also not be surprised if they are banking on people accidentally clicking Yes…

>This is not informing about other services

Is there law for that?

There was such a thing for browsers, but I dont know about services

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by Corsome »

artemonster wrote: post #31
Corsome wrote: post #5

Phew. After being a Windows user for literally almost two decades I've happily migrated to Linux and couldn't be happier. Yep, it took some time to prepare but let's be frank, developers already use quite a lot of Linux/Unix tools already so why not cut the middleman and just work directly with what we need most?

how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…

> how do you deal with absence of working task manager?

I see people offering nice advice here but I mostly do ps aux | grep thing and then kill (-9) it... or killall :)

> any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up.

I had the everything freeze up experience initially on a Dell laptop and frankly don't know what was the cause. Maybe missing microcode updates or old firmware? Nowadays it almost never happens (I don't remember it happening over the months). I have an app crash (like Firefox) ~once a month but it's so rare I barely notice.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

buro9 wrote: post #42

Now it's just like the Apple experience! Anyone who thinks otherwise, do go through a full install and then observe how many apps are installed that you cannot uninstall. And it's true that you can't really uninstall things from Windows either... Xbox 360 Bar... it will be there forever. If you ever touch Windows Hello PIN logon, that will never be disabled again. The only way to have an OS install be minimal is to c…

Apple has always been kind of an awful desktop experience IMO. Never understood why so many technical users like it. Windows 11 is becoming so much worse though.

Thank goodness for Linux being the solution for 99% of time.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

www_harka_com wrote: post #26
aquir wrote: post #2

In my eyes Microsoft Edge is even more annoying. Even if you install the "business" version you still get that shitty startpage and if you log in to remote desktop that takes ages to render and then you have to a bit of time turn that "start page thing" off. And MS moves the options around all the time! Such a pain! You can't just set about:blank as an empty tab page any more.

Sure you can. This is one of the first things I do on a new install: https://www.tenforums.com/browsers-email/167957-truly-blank-... Edit: I have a regedit file with the value "about:blank" and it just takes a double click.

> Edit: I have a regedit file with the value "about:blank" and it just takes a double click.

That's awesome. Just emailed the link to myself to add it to my decrapify scripts.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by listenallyall »

zulban wrote: post #50
artemonster wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…

It definitely sounds like you just need to learn a few more basic skills to use Linux. Also good to note: there's tons of problems uniquely with windows that I'm sure are just "computer problems" and "computer slowness" to you, and you never blame windows.

Not the OP - but I think it's the use of the word "basic" that turns a lot of people off.

"Basic" in Windows is all stuff you can easily do with a mouse. Getting anywhere with Linux requires comfort with the command line, OK, but even after spending a decent amount of time, there are lots of system-specific and application-specific commands that you need to master to actually get the system humming. And a total rabbit hole when errors start to pop up. Getting a handle on all of this, being able to understand and fix errors, this is well beyond "basic" and the condescending attitude "just need to learn a few more basic skills" is a huge turn-off. Saying nothing is more helpful than telling someone they just need to learn "basic skills."

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by artemonster »

Corsome wrote: post #82
artemonster wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…

> how do you deal with absence of working task manager? I see people offering nice advice here but I mostly do ps aux | grep thing and then kill (-9) it... or killall :) > any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. I had the everything freeze up experience initially on a Dell laptop and frankly don't know what was the cause. Maybe missing microcode updates…

I know how to use ps or top. what to do when you cannot launch terminal even?

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by dawidpotocki »

Waterluvian wrote: post #62

Ugh. I’m OS homeless. Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems. Not one option feels “good…

> Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux

That's… not true. Fact, they don't support VA-API, but there is support for some other methods like NVDEC.

Programs like mpv can use it directly while for something like Firefox you can use a wrapper like nvidia-vaapi-driver[1].

It's not ideal, but that's what you get from buying their stuff.

[1] https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by jh721 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #62

Ugh. I’m OS homeless. Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems. Not one option feels “good…

Just in case this might be useful: https://github.com/elFarto/nvidia-vaapi-driver works with Firefox.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by vladvasiliu »

5555624 wrote: post #28
aquir wrote: post #2

In my eyes Microsoft Edge is even more annoying. Even if you install the "business" version you still get that shitty startpage and if you log in to remote desktop that takes ages to render and then you have to a bit of time turn that "start page thing" off. And MS moves the options around all the time! Such a pain! You can't just set about:blank as an empty tab page any more.

> You can't just set about:blank as an empty tab page any more. For Microsoft Edge, both on my personal computers and work computer about:blank is my home page and new tab page. (Home: Edge version 115.0.1901.203; Windows Pro 22H2) Under the "When Edge starts" setting, I select "Open these pages:" and add "about:blank"

Can you combine that with "load the tabs from last session"?

I don't use windows very often, so I usually shut it down instead of hibernate so I can access its drive if needed from Linux. So it's a pain to reload all the pages from the last time, because I'll probably need them, that's why they were active.

In my case, I've found a "blank tab" or similar extensions which works well enough.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by no_time »

artemonster wrote: post #76
gavinhoward wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

htop is a good task manager. At least for me.

what do you do if you cannot launch it? because everything is frozen

switch to another tty(ctrl+alt+(f1..f12)), log in and launch htop from there.

Unless you are dealing with a kernel panic, this will work.

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