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Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by adishy »

thousand_nights wrote: post #48
wildrhythms wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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what is a 'super key'?

the windows key, in this context

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by Waterluvian »

Ugh. I’m OS homeless.

Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems.

Not one option feels “good” to me. There’s just levels of tolerable.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by majewsky »

hardware2win wrote: post #51
ekianjo wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Walled gardens to keep you in the Microsoft ecosystem forever

You believe that companies shouldnt ad their other services in their products? I disagree. Ecosystems enable better ux, look at Apple. Also nobody prevents you from moving your files from OneDrive to e.g Google Or using Google docs instead of MS Word

This is not informing about other services, this is pushing them on them with sleezy tactics. The article calls out that MS refers to this as "second-chance out of the box experience", or in plain English, "you did not want this the first time, but we need this for our bottom line, so get ready to have this shoved down your throat".

I would also not be surprised if they are banking on people accidentally clicking Yes to make the annoyance go away.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by translucyd »

thousand_nights wrote: post #48
wildrhythms wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hit the Super key Type a letter 'a' Backspace Your AI Powered Copilot. Say goodbye to endless search results! Try the New Bing. NCAA Footaball Set To Return. Ask Bing about NCAA Football. Top Football Tailgating Spots. Ranking The Best College Rivalries. Today's News Weather And More. Trending News From The Web. Djokovic wins W&S Open. Confronted by Contestant. Meme dog Cheems dies. Yankees lose 8 in a row. Dentist G…

what is a 'super key'?

Its Linux for ‘Windows’ key.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by fidotron »

chrisandchris wrote: post #37
fidotron wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your local supermarket almost certainly does do that for that reason.

Maybe in the US? The supermarkets I go to have the same layout over years.

I have encountered this in multiple countries in Europe and North America. Part of the reason is I obsessively form a routine and optimize the route around and consequently am incredibly sensitive to changes . . . Which I am not claiming is a healthy habit!

UK supermarkets go so far as to randomly drop free promo items “by accident” into baskets for online delivery in the knowledge that people will get hooked on the new thing, so you can’t escape it just by going online.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by 0xcde4c3db »

codeulike wrote: post #8

I keep seeing headlines about Microsoft adding adverts to Windows and whatnot but none of it ever appears infront of me. Is that because I'm on Windows Pro?

I'm not aware that anyone's properly reverse-engineered it, but based on what I've heard anecdotally I suspect some of it is eliminated by not using a Microsoft account, and some of it is eliminated by operating in certain regions or languages (perhaps due to not having a localized version of the campaign, or due to compliance concerns around advertising regulations and consumer protection laws in jurisdictions where that sort of thing is actually taken seriously).

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by capableweb »

haunter wrote: post #52

Windows 11 Enterprise + activate it with MAS. It's a clean Windows 11 w/o anything. Windows 10 LTSC is the same. (Windows 11 LTSC will come later next year) I use these for years and don't have any problems.

> Windows 11 Enterprise

How much does that cost compared to Pro or Home? I cannot even find the pricing for it.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by baal80spam »

misnome wrote: post #9
jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

Has anyone become so disillusioned with windows that they just have a windows pc sitting around collecting dust? Sometimes I still need to use some legacy program or whatever on there but I feel like the last time I booted into that thing was over a month ago now.

I started my machine for the first time in a couple of months yesterday; I mostly use it for gaming. The taskbar “Search” box had a new “fun” little icon representing whatever search item they wanted to advertise to me today. Had to find windows “tips” site to work out how to turn it off… Not as egregious as “full screen game adverts on login screen by default” though.

> The taskbar “Search” box had a new “fun” little icon representing whatever search item they wanted to advertise to me today. Had to find windows “tips” site to work out how to turn it off…

It boggles my mind how people don't find it absolutely infuriating. I watch quite a lot of streams and people always have 3 things enabled that I personally would disable instantly:

- huge searchbox taking a good 1/3 of the taskbar (I've yet to see anyone use this control for initiating a search)

- the playful icon in this huge searchbox (you mentioned it)

- Weather widget in the taskbar (just why?)

I assume that vast majority of Windows users just don't care.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

Kye wrote: post #33
fidotron wrote: post #6

The modern iteration of the Start menu is a particular travesty and has been rendered all but unusable in order to push you to Bing by accident. Microsoft simply must believe that Windows can survive the users hating this crap, and I fear they are right. For myself 11 was bad enough to finally try out Steam on Debian and was pleasantly surprised. KDE is closer to being the Windows desktop I want than Windows 11 is, w…

The modern start menu (at least what I see) reminds me of the gnome and KDE equivalents. It's a simple little list of apps, a space to pin those I use a lot, and a snappy search box. Bing is there, but it's gotten less intrusive in 11. The search box is better about surfacing what I'm actually looking for and not showing web searches 99% of the time. So I can't imagine I'm seeing the same thing as what's got so many…

> So I can't imagine I'm seeing the same thing as what's got so many people up in arms about the start menu. Did I get a weird OEM configuration?

To answer that question, check out the screenshot in the article. If you have a similar spittoon-load of crapware installed, you have the same experience as ~everyone else and for some reason you aren't registering it.

If you don't, something ethical happened.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by listenallyall »

The anti-Win 11 complaints here are entirely valid, however a $5 shareware StartAllBack restores many of the things people liked about prior Windows versions, like the Start Menu, clock, Explorer menus, etc. Winaero Tweaker (free) is another similar program for restoring some older features.

This doesn't excuse Microsoft for screwing up so many aspects of Windows but a $5 option to fix most of the things that bother me is a no-brainer.

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