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Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by NotSteve »

Waterluvian wrote: post #62

Ugh. I’m OS homeless. Windows is full of garbage. MacOS jumped the shark on UI and is irritating in so many ways as it tries to be some Frankenstein’s monster of a desktop and mobile-inspired UI. And Linux is incapable of watching videos in a browser without destroying my CPU (Nvidia lacks hardware video decoding on Linux) and continues with all the classic “engineers don’t do UX” problems. Not one option feels “good…

What do you mean about the MacOS UI? It sounds like you're talking about Stage Manager (which I love but understand not liking) but it should be disabled by default.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by dagw »

chrisandchris wrote: post #37
fidotron wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your local supermarket almost certainly does do that for that reason.

Maybe in the US? The supermarkets I go to have the same layout over years.

Supermarket I go to in Sweden moves stuff around all the time.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by beebeepka »

Some modern gaming gear kind of requires windows to setup basic functionality like turning off lights and stuff. Now, windows has been crap for a while, but it really amazed me that multimedia keys that work on Linux and Mac, somehow require the stupid software to enable functionality that is already configured in firmware.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by blooalien »

gavinhoward wrote: post #43
artemonster wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…

htop is a good task manager. At least for me.

On the terminal, all the various "modern" replacements for `top` (btop, htop, bottom [mentioned in an earlier comment], etc.) are all really great. Many are almost on-par with their graphical counterparts these days.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by artemonster »

gavinhoward wrote: post #43
artemonster wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

how do you deal with absence of working task manager? any random hang-up is a forced restart, no way to kill offending process as EVERYTHING just freezes up. Tried forcing myself to migrate to Linux, even after forcing no updates, a lot of things magically stop working or break, forcing me to spend hours on google to fix some crap by copypasting random nonsense into terminal. I just want to use my PC, not be a debugg…

htop is a good task manager. At least for me.

what do you do if you cannot launch it? because everything is frozen

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by PrimeMcFly »

haunter wrote: post #52

Windows 11 Enterprise + activate it with MAS. It's a clean Windows 11 w/o anything. Windows 10 LTSC is the same. (Windows 11 LTSC will come later next year) I use these for years and don't have any problems.

Not everyone wants to cough up for an Enterprise license for a home PC.

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by HansHamster »

not_your_vase wrote: post #12
jamal-kumar wrote: post #3

Has anyone become so disillusioned with windows that they just have a windows pc sitting around collecting dust? Sometimes I still need to use some legacy program or whatever on there but I feel like the last time I booted into that thing was over a month ago now.

Windows is nowadays required for maybe 2 major things: games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss), and some video conference software (e.g. webex with camera). I install Windows only for job interviews. Usually I install it 2 days ahead, and keep running windows update repeatedly, until it finally finishes with everything, and I can use the system for a 30 minutes call,…

> games (I know, Wine is a thing, but let's be honest: it is very much still a hit or miss)

I used to dual-boot for a few games, but nowadays I just don't bother anymore. I check protondb beforehand and most of the games I played just ran without issues. I think the last time I booted Windows for games was for Space Engineers a couple of years ago (which seems to work now, but looks like a pain to set up).

Re: Windows 11 has made the “clean Windows install” an oxymoron

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

aquir wrote: post #2

In my eyes Microsoft Edge is even more annoying. Even if you install the "business" version you still get that shitty startpage and if you log in to remote desktop that takes ages to render and then you have to a bit of time turn that "start page thing" off. And MS moves the options around all the time! Such a pain! You can't just set about:blank as an empty tab page any more.

> Edge is even more annoying. Even if you install the "business" version you still get that crapty startpage and if you log in to remote desktop that takes ages to render

Oh Glob yes. De-venoming Edge is part of my RDP setup routine.

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