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Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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"Loners are probably much more likely to die of say, having a heart attack and not receiving help promptly." On the other hand, loners won't get a heart attack caused by other people ..

"People who experienced social isolation had a 32% higher risk of dying early from any cause compared with those who weren't socially isolated." https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/19/health/loneliness-social-...

Of any cause? What about COVID, or leukemia?

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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In the past year three close neighbors who I was friendly with moved out and the couples that moved in have been so rude and shitty. It's been such a massive quality of life decline, and just feels like terrible luck.

Yeah, it's amazing how much difference this factor can make in quality of life, yet it's mostly left up to luck. When moving and choosing a place, you can try to get some idea of the vibe and whether it seems neighborly at all, but it's very hard to get more than a cursory sense. I'd take a modest house surrounded by friendly/awesome people compared to a much nicer house surrounded by rude/stuck-up people any day.

My new neighbors have a german shepard. As I write this at 2:50am, it has been barking since around 11pm. I've never heard a dog bark so consistently for so long. I'm blasting rain noise on my laptop but this is driving me crazy.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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> I find the five vs. six distinction rather interesting though. What's up with that? There's no reasonable mechanism in which greeting people causes well-being. So asking why it caps out at 6 makes no sense, unless you implicitly want to call out their bullshit. It's just another vague correlation in a overinterpreted study of noisy data.

> There's no reasonable mechanism in which greeting people causes well-being. Socializing increases well-being, and greeting someone is socializing.

You're still making so many assumptions, all of which are unproven and causally unlinked. And how does socializing lead to social, community, career and physical well-being? Why would those peak at 6 but financial well-being at 11? In your hand-waiving explanation, it should keep rising. And even then, the effect wouldn't be caused by greeting, but by socializing. Greeting more people wouldn't help if you wouldn't socialize.

You're also excluding the reverse causality: you can only greet 6 people per day if e.g. you're healthy. On a sickbed, it's much harder to do.

The way it's stated in the headline is bollocks.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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Again a US centric article. While it would have been impossible to achieve such, consistently, in the suburbs of US, in a city like Chicago greeting neighbors became a little more feasible, but to Mr Rogers' point - probably useless beyond four or five. In French cities like Montpellier, Aix-en-Provence, Nice, Vic-sur-Cere, etc., though, it is possible to go way over the "6 limit", with increasing benefits. I know a…

Where I live, you hardly meet more than one neighbour at random in the winter. In contrast, in villages in the south of Spain, you meet neighbors and family all day long, to the point where it gets tiring. I imagine there are many more places like that in the world. It's definitely not a universal study.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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What I learned is that it makes a huge difference to get a haircut from someone professional. Going to some cheap random mall hair place is a terrible experience. They don't care about their work, it's going to be awkward and it'll look terrible. I have been going to a fancy hair place in recent years. AUD $85 seems like a lot of money for a mens haircut, but it makes all the difference. It's a proper craft. No "what…

Counterpoint: I am much, much more comfortable at the cheapo place at the mall than at some fancy pants salon. Find what works for you.

> Find what works for you.

I wholeheartedly agree. In my mind it's fancy because it's expensive. It's not the high society designer fashion nose high kind of fancy. More boutique :)

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As a kid, I had extreme social anxiety. I had a hard time talking to people and making friends. I never felt like I “belonged.” As an adult, I still have crippling social anxiety. I can’t speak for everywhere, I’m pretty much only in the U.S., but I’ve noticed that most fellow adults I come across are chronically deprived of social interaction. My social anxiety doesn’t actually matter. Me being awkward, and weird, a…

Rationally, I know what you've said to be the truth. In reality, I cut my own hair because it stresses me out to go to a Greatclips.

Hey I save dozens of dollars cutting my own hair each year! I'm no longer socially anxious but it's a habit I developed 15 years ago thanks to it!

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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You maybe not. But having lived in very rural areas you quickly realize that your neighbors are your safety net far more than the authorities and that in a pinch you all need to be able to rely on each other. A good book isn't going to get your car out of a ditch or help locate your kid or pet when it has gone missing.

> in very rural areas you quickly realize that your neighbors are your safety net far more than the authorities Unless you are non-white, an immigrant, LGBTQ, neurodivergent, etc...

I've lived in rural areas and while there was some messed up stuff, your blanket statement wasn't entirely my experience.

I would suggest that, while you might find less cosmopolitan people in rural areas, they're also more willing to overlook aspects of you that they dislike. You can't really afford to be too picky about your friendships when there's not much to choose from.

Re: Mister Rogers had a point – routinely greeting six neighbors maximizes wellbeing

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If you lower your standards, sure. "Just fine" is survivable, but unless one derives enjoyment out of solitude and playing "is it wet or is it cold" all the time, I don't think you'll win many people over to such viewpoints. (I've done solo trips and hiked the AT; it's a great experience, but definitely not for everyone.)

Living in the wilderness doesn't mean living in squalor. Off-grid houses can be downright luxurious compared to the typical suburban tract McMansion.

Ah well, that is possible too. I feel that if the housing crisis is bad now, sparse off-grid housing sounds like a far worse way to solve it. And that's besides the wilderness-ruining prospects it has unless one is to build without heavy machinery (access also sounds expensive in environmental and financial costs). And with wildfires becoming more prevalent…location becomes way more important.

So again, not a solution for many in my mind (even if they want it).

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