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“Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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A̶r̶s̶e̶n̶i̶c̶ Cyanide is the thing to watch for I believe. Stay away from bitter almonds, roasted should be fine. You'd have to eat a 25 Kg bag of sweet almonds to get into trouble. Not sure about the cumulative effects though, that might be worth checking into.

I assume this issue is the same with almond milk? I'm almost always buying oatmilk, though.

That stuff is not what you think, look up a video on it to be enlightened.

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I offer, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, this lecture: Don't eat plants; they're trying to kill you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1cqNDDG4aA I usually forward it to friends that rant about meat being bad for your health.

What is his angle on why so much disease is associated with meat

I can't speak for that speaker but the typical answer: meat consumption is associated with affluence, which also is associated with sugar and processed food consumption.

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Depends on the meat. If it’s western raised pork or chicken, they bioaccumulate omega-6 from their feed that the percentage of their fat that’s omega-6 can rivals or exceed that of “vegetable” oils. Ruminants seem to resist this bioaccumulation. So the wrong meat give you all the same lovely effects of systemic inflammation, paradoxical immune suppression, metabolism suppression, and the pile of strange effects from…

Aren't saturated fats from plants like palm oil and coconut oil also associated with those negative outcomes?

It's been hard to tease out and more to come but sat fat appears to have a knee curve where small amounts don't cause harm. See Plant Chompers yt for some of the research.

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What is his angle on why so much disease is associated with meat

I can't speak for that speaker but the typical answer: meat consumption is associated with affluence, which also is associated with sugar and processed food consumption.

The meat itself creates carcinogens when cooked: https://www.cancer.gov/about-cancer/causes-prevention/risk/d...

Also curing processed meats creates NOCs, NAAs, and PAHs: https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/2015/11/03/repo...

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It's like the idea that getting a massage releases all the toxins in your body and you need to drink water after to flush them out. That's what they always tell me after I get one. I have to restrain laughter.

Even though the toxins myth is incorrect, drinking lots of water after is a good idea. A deep tissue massage can cause mild rhabdomyolysis, which is where broken down cells (from the massage) get dumped into the blood. Water will help dilute urine while this occurs. Many massage therapists probably do think that there are harmful toxins get released, though.

are you saying that healthy cells are broken down by the massage, or that the massage eliminates already broken down cells?

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Almonds are one of the highest-oxalate foods but I think generally it's fine unless you're prone to calcium oxalate kidney stones. But most people find out they're prone when they get their first stone. I've gotten two and don't recommend. Things that help, short of the sort of restrictions I'm stuck with: drink lots of water with high-oxalate foods, and eat foods high in calcium with them. The calcium binds with the…

> Despite significantly more dietary oxalates (254 mg/day) and oxalate-containing foods such as nuts, vegetables, and whole grains, participants with higher DASH scores have a 40–50% decreased risk of kidney stones [68]. This is perhaps attributed to the protective and synergistic effects of phytate, potassium, calcium, and other phytochemicals all abundant in the DASH dietary pattern. Similar findings regarding the…

It's possible to eat a DASH diet while leaving out the foods with the highest oxalates. It's what I do myself.

Avoiding high-oxalate foods if you're prone to oxalate stones isn't a meme, it was the advice of my urologist and the printed pamphlets he gave me. Along with drinking plenty of water, especially with meals as I mentioned above. As for calcium, it's mentioned as protective in your quote.

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I've been arguing for years with vegans who drink copious amounts for thyroid-damaging kale and kidney-stone-forming spinach juices. Many of the plants are rich in anti-nutrients and natural toxins to weed off predators. Having a normal-size salad is one thing, drinking 2 pounds of kale is something else. People should learn more abou Hormesis and why too much of the bad thing is bad and too little of it is a good th…

Fact check: Kale only has 20mg of oxalates per 100g which means 2 lbs has about 180mg of oxalates. https://e-cnr.org/ViewImage.php?Type=TH&aid=487614&id=T9&afn... 180mg of oxalates isn't that much. Most people consume 200 to 300 mg of oxalates per day: https://www.webmd.com/diet/foods-high-in-oxalates and with regards to water. I believe, it's when you sip on water all day that the danger of brain swelling occurs bec…

They highlighted spinach for the kidney stones (i.e. oxalates). Per your chart, they are at 970 mg/100g, so two pounds of spinach would be roughly 9000mg of oxalates.

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post #66

I've been arguing for years with vegans who drink copious amounts for thyroid-damaging kale and kidney-stone-forming spinach juices. Many of the plants are rich in anti-nutrients and natural toxins to weed off predators. Having a normal-size salad is one thing, drinking 2 pounds of kale is something else. People should learn more abou Hormesis and why too much of the bad thing is bad and too little of it is a good th…

The thing to me that is so ironic about juicing is that most people who are super into things like juicing and "juice cleanses" (whatever the hell that means) are totally against "processed" foods.

I'm like "What do you think a juicer is??" You just took that natural plant that's loaded with healthy fiber, removed all the fiber and concentrated it so it's mostly sugar and water.

If you process it at home it's still processed.

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