This is why I tell people to go easy on the spinach when they’re making smoothies.
Because of a case study of one woman who did a fad cleanse and had predisposers like a gastric bypass and prolonged antibiotic therapy?
“Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy
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#22Given that this is a case report rather than a study, what confidence can a layman such as myself have that the report suggests causation? Asking in earnest; I don't want to read this and then repeat it to people if it's not really true.
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#23Given that this is a case report rather than a study, what confidence can a layman such as myself have that the report suggests causation? Asking in earnest; I don't want to read this and then repeat it to people if it's not really true.
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#24In the report's keywords it mentions spinach. How much spinach is ok vs too much? Is this issue caused by consuming too much spinach or by consuming spinach in combination with specific foods found in green smoothies?
With oxalate nephropathy, I have an oxalate budget of 100/day - 2 oz of dark chocolate covers that. But then, if one is concerned, citrates provide a first-line defense,e.g. 4 oz of lemmon juice, or,say, calcium or potassium citrate. That doesn't stop things, but it helps. In your microbiome, oxalobacter formigenes is the primary defense. Lose that from, say, antibiotics or IBS, and you've got problems.
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#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because of a case study of one woman who did a fad cleanse and had predisposers like a gastric bypass and prolonged antibiotic therapy?
Hmm? Oxalates causing less severe damage (kidney stones) is more common than just one woman. If you are a vegan you know you need to go easy on things like raw spinach and almonds.
Does "going easy on oxalates" just mean you have fewer than six spinach smoothies per day?
I'm used to these dietary memes cashing out into either trivial claims or nothing burgers.
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#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
Because of a case study of one woman who did a fad cleanse and had predisposers like a gastric bypass and prolonged antibiotic therapy?
Hmm? Oxalates causing less severe damage (kidney stones) is more common than just one woman. If you are a vegan you know you need to go easy on things like raw spinach and almonds.
Despite your statement I don’t think this knowledge is automatically distributed amongst vegans.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm? Oxalates causing less severe damage (kidney stones) is more common than just one woman. If you are a vegan you know you need to go easy on things like raw spinach and almonds.
Wait how easy do I need to go on the almonds? I’ve been eating maybe half a pound a week. Despite your statement I don’t think this knowledge is automatically distributed amongst vegans.
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#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm sure it makes a lot of people feel better, but almost certainly because of the cessation of whatever dietary behavior was causing them to feel bad in the first place, as opposed to eliminating some undefined "toxin."
And as we can see in this case, most of the toxins that you secrete after a "cleanse" are from the "cleanse" liquid itself! Though to play debil's[0] advocate for a second, the body can retain toxins from the environment, e.g. heavy metals, chemicals from plastics, etc. So there is some basis in the idea of trying to purge toxins, but if you find a way to do that with a smoothie from store bought vegetables, you woul…
1: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-m...
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#30The "cleanse" notion is batty. A functioning urinary and excretory system is all the "cleanse" one needs.
It's like the idea that getting a massage releases all the toxins in your body and you need to drink water after to flush them out. That's what they always tell me after I get one. I have to restrain laughter.
A deep tissue massage can cause mild rhabdomyolysis, which is where broken down cells (from the massage) get dumped into the blood. Water will help dilute urine while this occurs. Many massage therapists probably do think that there are harmful toxins get released, though.