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“Green smoothie cleanse” causing acute oxalate nephropathy

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Post by hombre_fatal »

DennisP wrote: post #37
jeffbee wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wait how easy do I need to go on the almonds? I’ve been eating maybe half a pound a week. Despite your statement I don’t think this knowledge is automatically distributed amongst vegans.

Almonds are one of the highest-oxalate foods but I think generally it's fine unless you're prone to calcium oxalate kidney stones. But most people find out they're prone when they get their first stone. I've gotten two and don't recommend. Things that help, short of the sort of restrictions I'm stuck with: drink lots of water with high-oxalate foods, and eat foods high in calcium with them. The calcium binds with the…

> Despite significantly more dietary oxalates (254 mg/day) and oxalate-containing foods such as nuts, vegetables, and whole grains, participants with higher DASH scores have a 40–50% decreased risk of kidney stones [68]. This is perhaps attributed to the protective and synergistic effects of phytate, potassium, calcium, and other phytochemicals all abundant in the DASH dietary pattern. Similar findings regarding the protective role of vegetables on urolithiasis risk were reported by Zhuo et al. [69]. While animal protein consumption was associated with higher kidney stone risk, vegetable and tea consumption were associated with a decreased risk of stone formation.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7600777/

A lot of the "common sense" about oxalates just sound like social media memes.

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Post by whycome »

Bluecobra wrote: post #12
zingababba wrote: post #6

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Yeah, throwing a bunch of greens into a blender is not a great way to consume them. Boiling/steaming is the way to go. The vast majority of vegetables I personally eat are well cooked and mushy.

I used to make green smoothies all the time, even went as far to by an expensive Blentec blender. If you are following Weight Watchers you actually get penalized for blending/juicing vegetables, so I stopped. Normally these are zero point foods. Their justification makes a lot of sense to me: https://www.weightwatchers.com/au/blog/food/why-fruit-counts...

The fiber factor probably plays a big role too. Sometimes juicers take that out. Fiber can make you feel full and it may also play a role in rate of sugar absorption.

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Post by jacquesm »

walnutclosefarm wrote: post #34
jacquesm wrote: post #28

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A̶r̶s̶e̶n̶i̶c̶ Cyanide is the thing to watch for I believe. Stay away from bitter almonds, roasted should be fine. You'd have to eat a 25 Kg bag of sweet almonds to get into trouble. Not sure about the cumulative effects though, that might be worth checking into.

Not Arsenic, but rather bitter almonds contain compounds that the body degrades into cyanide.

Ah yes, that was it, sorry for mixing those up. But regardless, bad idea to eat any sizeable quantity of bitter almonds.

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Post by OJFord »

Reminds me of 'fruit-only-diet influencer dead at 39'. However 'healthy' an extreme diet seems, in extreme it almost certainly isn't. Yes most people should probably eat more fruit; no they should not eat exclusively fruit.

(random source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/01/zhanna-sam...)

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Post by stickfigure »

atarian wrote: post #4

This is why I tell people to go easy on the spinach when they’re making smoothies.

I offer, somewhat tongue-in-cheek, this lecture:

Don't eat plants; they're trying to kill you! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1cqNDDG4aA

I usually forward it to friends that rant about meat being bad for your health.

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Post by TylerE »

OJFord wrote: post #45

Reminds me of 'fruit-only-diet influencer dead at 39'. However 'healthy' an extreme diet seems, in extreme it almost certainly isn't. Yes most people should probably eat more fruit; no they should not eat exclusively fruit. (random source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/01/zhanna-sam... )

That's wild. The photos on her instagram look like something out of a '90s UNICEF commercial.

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Post by andrelaszlo »

OJFord wrote: post #45

Reminds me of 'fruit-only-diet influencer dead at 39'. However 'healthy' an extreme diet seems, in extreme it almost certainly isn't. Yes most people should probably eat more fruit; no they should not eat exclusively fruit. (random source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/01/zhanna-sam... )

Sad story. If she caught a stomach bug and tried to cure it by "dry fasting" I guess it could get dangerous really quickly.

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Post by reilly3000 »

OJFord wrote: post #45

Reminds me of 'fruit-only-diet influencer dead at 39'. However 'healthy' an extreme diet seems, in extreme it almost certainly isn't. Yes most people should probably eat more fruit; no they should not eat exclusively fruit. (random source: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/08/01/zhanna-sam... )

RIP Steve Jobs. It was likely his Apple-only diet that did him in. He would go to these orchards in NorCal and disappear for weeks on end, eating only apples the whole time. He tried eating apples aggressively to cure his colon cancer and it appears to have exacerbated it.

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Post by chrisco255 »

atleastoptimal wrote: post #39

Oxalates can be balanced out with calcium, that's why cruciferous veggies don't cause as many issues as spinach.

No they can't, as this study shows. The problem is that calcium is bonding to the oxalates. Normally your body will pass them through excretion, but it appears that oxalates in high quantities should be avoided altogether, as they just seem to collect in the kidney. Skip the oxalates and just take the calcium. One is essential and the other is the opposite.
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