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Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by input_sh »

downWidOutaFite wrote: post #149
Mordisquitos wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created. I suspect its more like "dudes who know nothing about computers (let alone the OSI model)" coming up with dumb ideas. These ideas are all approved and encouraged by advisors under the influence of Big Tech interests, which are more than happy to achieve regulatory capture [0] to protect their…

It's the antiAmericanism and the big tech boogeyman that drives a lot of these crazy European attacks on the open web.

...as if the US doesn't do the same every few years: SOPA, PIPA, CISPA, FOSTA-SESTA, KOSA

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by hooverd »

goodbyesf wrote: post #133
ednxzu wrote: post #124

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> the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. That's an entirely different issue tho, a private company regulating its own product has nothing to do with a gov trying to restrict internet access to its citizens.

> That's an entirely different issue tho, a private company regulating its own product has nothing to do with a gov trying to restrict internet access to its citizens. That's my point. A private company regulating its own product is fine as long as it is private and independent. My point is that all 'private' companies appear to be following the same script which isn't something we'd expect from private independent c…

That's the marketplace of ideas, baby.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by superkuh »

Night_Thastus wrote: post #126
gumballindie wrote: post #117

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Better yet: you'll need a license to compile code.

Ya have a loisence for that gcc?

RMS is always right and decades ahead (about software freedoms issues): https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.en.html

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by civilitty »

londons_explore wrote: post #58
_trackno5 wrote: post #33

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It’s absurd that an article exists to allow French govt agents to display messages in my browser. How is that even enforced?

Rules exist to require messages be shown on phones - for example the emergency alert system for hurricanes. Doesn't seem unreasonable that computer OS's and/or web browsers be required to support the same.

RF spectrum is a limited and valuable public resource that’s rented out to licensed operators who use devices from licensed manufacturers. That’s the mechanism behind the emergency alert system in a legal and practical sense (in the US at least).

Applying that to browsers does seem unreasonable to me. IANAL but to my knowledge mobile OSs aren’t legally required to support the emergency alert features of the radio because there’s no direct way to legally force them to. They do so because of popular demand and indirect requirements from large customers.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by chrischattin »

cubefox wrote: post #111
mkl95 wrote: post #13

The French government's approach to modern tech is similar to the UK and Germany in some ways. They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created.

It's often "gals", not just "dudes", who are pro censorship, at least in Germany.

"Dudes" is often used as an all inclusive term.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by eigenket »

skywal_l wrote: post #102
utybo wrote: post #96

As far as I understand it, this is only about implementing a blocklist for scam and phishing sites, like what Edge's SmartScreen already does. The agency in charge of this, Arcom, will have to comply to that requirement. While the principle in itself isn't great, this isn't as bad as Mozilla or comments on HN make it look like.

If these sites are scams or fishing, then the law should pursue them and put them in jail.

Its rather difficult for the French government to pursue the owners of a site when they happen to be in Russia/China/wherever.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by karaterobot »

taylodl wrote: post #88
p0w3n3d wrote: post #63

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banning software, mass surveillance, mandatory software installed on people's computers

Sure, they can regulate the behaviors of the people using the software, but what means do they have for regulating the software itself?

Mozilla does business in France, I believe. They have an office in Paris, and likely employ French people. So, they could be regulated like any other business, and punished like any other business. Since Mozilla make the software, the software can be regulated.
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