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Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by mywittyname »

bonzini wrote: post #35
sinuhe69 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://blog.mozilla.org/netpolicy/2023/06/26/france-browser...

> government being able to mandate that a certain website not open at all on a browser/system is uncharted territory and even the most repressive regimes in the world prefer to block websites further up the network (ISPs, etc.) so far. Repressive government's don't do their blocking at the browser level because it is completely ineffective. Anyone who wants to access the forbidden websites will be able to do so anywa…

I think simply modifying the hosts file on a machine to "rename" the domain of the site you want to visit would be sufficient to bypass a browser-level block.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by sam0x17 »

mkl95 wrote: post #13

The French government's approach to modern tech is similar to the UK and Germany in some ways. They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created.

They never started learning more like.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by osmsucks »

jcarrano wrote: post #44

Someone please explain: if I fork Firefox or Chrome and delete the censorship code, then I publish it online (eg. in github with a download link), then next time I go to France I will get into trouble?

This is why computers should only be able to run government-approved software acquired from government-approved repositories. :)

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by ednxzu »

goodbyesf wrote: post #55
Am4TIfIsER0ppos wrote: post #19

I thought they wanted "more than deplatforming" https://blog.mozilla.org/en/mozilla/we-need-more-than-deplat... https://archive.today/ia2z4

Exactly. Mozilla is one of the worst tech companies pretending to do good. Tech wasn't always like this. In the 00s, everyone was for free speech. Mozilla wasn't like this either. Hate to say it, but once the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing. Of course to fight 'hate speech' - w…

> the tech elite ( or more like the money elite controlling tech ) started talking about minority, lgbt and women's 'rights', they all started censoring, deplatforming, oppressing.

That's an entirely different issue tho, a private company regulating its own product has nothing to do with a gov trying to restrict internet access to its citizens.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by dchftcs »

globular-toast wrote: post #99
Mordisquitos wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. Much as I despise Meta, I have to admit I have been pleasantly surprised by their hardline stance in defending WhatsApp's e2e encryption.

Me too but after talking to my MP about it I do wonder how much of it is because they (Meta) fundamentally support privacy and everything that comes with that or if it's just a convenient way to deny having any responsibility towards safety on their platforms. It's possible to be right, but for the wrong reasons. I'd like to think it's for the right reasons, but I'm not sure. If users really cared about privacy they'…

Well you could play the devil's advocate the same way.

Is the UK government really caring about the children or do they just want more convenient power.

If the citizens really cared about the future of their children they would not have elected a government that is a stinking pile of poop.

One thing you should also have come to realise is that most politicians want surveillance power for themselves, but not for others.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by Night_Thastus »

gumballindie wrote: post #117
zb3 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Next step: mandating compiler vendors to modify compilers so that your code doesn't compile :)

Better yet: you'll need a license to compile code.

Ya have a loisence for that gcc?

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by sudosysgen »

embwbam wrote: post #116
FrenchDevRemote wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

France is really far from a planned economy. Marseille's worst neighborhoods are really chill compared to the bad parts of any American city. The streets are pretty safe. Your comment is kinda ridiculous, stop watching TV. Yeah there are lot of taxes, but those taxes come in handy when you can get 2 years of unemployment benefits when starting a company. Or when you know, get a cancer that would cost a few millions t…

My girlfriend had a poorly aimed egg thrown at her late at night in Marseille on a kebab run for wearing a short skirt in a Muslim neighborhood. Seems pretty rough to me!

You can find far worse anecdotes for any large US city.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by travisgriggs »

I’m opposed to censorship. But what is even dumber is misapplied censorship.

“There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root” — Henry David Thoreau

Rather than building guardrails on the dangerous corners, we seem to revel in building hospitals at the bottoms of ravines. We treat symptoms and side effects, rather than origins.

If they insist on suppressing content, do so at the servers serving the content, not arbitrary viewers.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Post by lm28469 »

I'd really really like them to quote the exact part of the law proposition about "censoring websites" because I read the whole text and didn't find anything remotely as sensational as what mozilla claims

> providing a playbook for other governments to also turn browsers like Firefox into censorship tools.

Iran, China, Russia, didn't wait for France don't worry

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