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Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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The French government's approach to modern tech is similar to the UK and Germany in some ways. They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created.

The old Europe feels cornered by this tech and acts aggressively to defend itself.

We're cornered by McKinsey

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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As far as I understand it, this is only about implementing a blocklist for scam and phishing sites, like what Edge's SmartScreen already does. The agency in charge of this, Arcom, will have to comply to that requirement. While the principle in itself isn't great, this isn't as bad as Mozilla or comments on HN make it look like.

If these sites are scams or fishing, then the law should pursue them and put them in jail.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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> ... or to the benefit their friends owning private companies. Yup this one in France is really a big problem. The public sector spendings officially represents something like 58.1% of the french GDP (official "Insee" numbers from 2023, for 2022)... France is not far from a planned economy and, unsurprisingly, it's a particularly harsh environment for real small private SMEs (i.e. those without friends at the state)…

>Marseille The US has Detroid, LA gangs, SF with the streets filled with homeless people...

There are more homeless per capita in Paris than in SF.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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post #96

As far as I understand it, this is only about implementing a blocklist for scam and phishing sites, like what Edge's SmartScreen already does. The agency in charge of this, Arcom, will have to comply to that requirement. While the principle in itself isn't great, this isn't as bad as Mozilla or comments on HN make it look like.

Isn't the issue though that such laws are usually abused so a website spreading "misinformation/fake news" about the government is labelled a "scam"...?

It’s coming from the same crowd as the anti crypto people, ie. we need KYC and transaction tracking to prevent fraud and terrorist funding! But we might as well use those facilities to go after privacy coins and arrest people for trading derivatives with their own money. It’s a classic case of “we’re here to help, please don’t resist”.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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> They seem to be advised by a bunch of decrepit dudes who stopped learning about computers before the OSI model was created. I suspect its more like "dudes who know nothing about computers (let alone the OSI model)" coming up with dumb ideas. These ideas are all approved and encouraged by advisors under the influence of Big Tech interests, which are more than happy to achieve regulatory capture [0] to protect their…

Actually the current anti-encryption laws going through in the UK are pretty anti-Big Tech. One of the main motivations is they don't think Big Tech is "thinking of the children" and it should be their responsibility to do that.

More like they are not thinking of GCHQ

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

#108
post #96

As far as I understand it, this is only about implementing a blocklist for scam and phishing sites, like what Edge's SmartScreen already does. The agency in charge of this, Arcom, will have to comply to that requirement. While the principle in itself isn't great, this isn't as bad as Mozilla or comments on HN make it look like.

Isn't the issue though that such laws are usually abused so a website spreading "misinformation/fake news" about the government is labelled a "scam"...?

Doesn't seem to apply to this law. IANAL but after a quick check of the proposed law text, it is directly referencing French laws about scamming, and only allows the blocking procedure if the government agency finds these sites to be in violation of those laws.

Once again I have not fully checked this as the text is very long.

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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Last I've heard the web browser was invented in Switzerland, as opposed to Gopher (US invented) which ended up unused

Let's pick elementary particle sized nits... Tim Berner Lee's office most likely had noise from planes landing at Geneva airport, but still most likely was on the territory of France :-)

Indeed.

> The Franco-Swiss border runs through the CERN campus and building 31 is literally just a few feet into France. However, there is no explicit border within CERN and the main entrance is in Switzerland, so the situation of which country it was invented in is actually quite a tricky one. The current commemorative plaque, which is outside a row of offices where people other than Tim Berners-Lee worked on the web, is in Switzerland. To add to the confusion, in case Tim thought of the web at home, his home was in France but he temporarily moved to rented accommodation in Switzerland, just around the time the web was developed.

https://davidgalbraith.org/uncategorized/the-exact-location-...

Re: Petition to stop France from forcing browsers like Firefox to censor websites

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It’s absurd that an article exists to allow French govt agents to display messages in my browser. How is that even enforced?

Rules exist to require messages be shown on phones - for example the emergency alert system for hurricanes. Doesn't seem unreasonable that computer OS's and/or web browsers be required to support the same.

Sure, we can all agree that this narrow use is in the interest of the public.

Emphasis on narrow.

It’s completely unreasonable to have a broad scope direct communication channel between the government and my browser or OS.

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