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Twitter's response to US Government search warrant (turned over deleted DMs) [pdf]

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Post by appplication »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #80
brandonagr2 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In your theory, what does Elon get in return for these 'favors'?

While it's true that he's currying favor with a political group that favors gas-guzzling pickup trucks over electric vehicles and is diametrically opposed to his mission of saving humanity from ecological disaster, owning the libs (his customer base) is its own $40b reward. /s

I think modern Elon is too jaded about reality/fat with cash to still believe in saving humanity. He certainly doesn’t talk about it in the frequency and light he used to.

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Post by dragonwriter »

appplication wrote: post #111
exo-pla-net wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While it's true that he's currying favor with a political group that favors gas-guzzling pickup trucks over electric vehicles and is diametrically opposed to his mission of saving humanity from ecological disaster, owning the libs (his customer base) is its own $40b reward. /s

I think modern Elon is too jaded about reality/fat with cash to still believe in saving humanity. He certainly doesn’t talk about it in the frequency and light he used to.

Why would you think he ever believed in that rather than it being a personal and corporate brand marketing tactic the way it has been for so many other startups and their CEOs, to the point of being frequently mocked?

Re: Twitter's response to US Government search warrant (turned over deleted DMs) [pdf]

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Post by appplication »

dragonwriter wrote: post #112
appplication wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think modern Elon is too jaded about reality/fat with cash to still believe in saving humanity. He certainly doesn’t talk about it in the frequency and light he used to.

Why would you think he ever believed in that rather than it being a personal and corporate brand marketing tactic the way it has been for so many other startups and their CEOs, to the point of being frequently mocked?

Really I only believe that because he’s consistently shown he’s sufficiently disconnected from reality that legitimately believing he can single-handedly save humanity seems par for the course.

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Post by appleflaxen »

sacrosanct wrote: post #3

Needs more context. I glossed over the PDF, but couldn't figure out what this is about. ELI5.

Twitter is playing games about turning over all the records requested by the government.

They are pretending that a database search for an IP address, for example, in two different tables is a big challenge and requires them to "make" the data because they don't have all the matching IP addresses pre-queried.

Twitter is likely doing this because musk is now in charge, and wants to help the criminal conspiracy by hiding and denying the legally requested evidence

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Post by rsynnott »

postmodest wrote: post #15

At this point, Elon's purchase and seemingly-intentional brand-suicide looks more and more like a political favor. I mean, yes, if we shave this with Hanlon's Razor, the outcome is the same, but the rightward swing of Elon's public statements certainly makes this look more like quid-pro-quo than an oopsie.

I mean, if it’s a favour, then it isn’t being particularly well-reciprocated; ol’ mini-hands is still on Truth Social, not Twitter. I think Hanlon’s Razor probably still applies here.

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Post by rsynnott »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #90
Pxtl wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If it were any other man I'd be considering your conspiracy theory but Musk has become so completely unhinged that imho Hanlon's Razor wins. The man has a terminal case of internet poisoning.

What happened to Musk reminds me of what happened to Chris Chan ( https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/CwcvilleGuardian ): internet trolls seemingly broke his mind. I believe that there will one day be a name for this syndrome, wherein a person who is the victim of prolonged internet trolling begins catering to the trolls with increasingly outlandish behavior, with their mind / beliefs warping into a shape that pleases th…

Musk’s a minor variation; internet _fanboys_ broke his mind.

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Post by rsynnott »

joezydeco wrote: post #17
josefresco wrote: post #14

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> Twitter seems to either not be able to discover that, or can't find it They clearly CAN, but don't want to. Their (X's lawyers) objections in the transcript are ridiculous (they claimed they don't have an "affiliated account" category - like really?!?) and when pressed for timeframes suddenly they can produce "impossible" data in less than 24h.

Was Twitter really as sophisticated as Facebook in this regard? If @realdonaldtrump and @johnbarron are both tweeting from the same IP in the same time frame, could Twitter make the connection that both are the same user? Was there enough backtracking stored in their systems to know that?

They should be able to trivially determine, after the fact, that the two accounts were using the same IP, even if not at the time. (Of course, that doesn’t _necessarily_ mean they’re the same person).

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Post by rsynnott »

thrway0816 wrote: post #40
HeyLaughingBoy wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're complaining that a random judge doesn't know that Twitter is free?

It's a central and ongoing misunderstanding throughout the document that, beyond verified users, the Court does not realize Twitter account is not associated with a verified human identity. A judge should not be walking into this case completely ignorant of the subject matter that will be presented to them, but this one is.

“Oh, shit, we have a lawsuit about oil extraction rights up next week. Anyone know a judge who’s also an amateur geologist?”

That’s not how it works. The lawyers on both sides are responsible for explaining the salient points; in most legal systems the judge is not expected to be an expert on the non-legal aspects of the matter at hand.

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Post by stevenicr »

exo-pla-net wrote: post #104
stevenicr wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've been wondering if there is a term for 'the choir glamouring you' sort of thing? I've been noticing odd behaviors in some public figures that make me believe instead of them 'preaching to the choir' - their 'choir' is convincing them a weird direction is a good idea. I think this is exasperated by the bubbles of social media - I would love to be able to see what social media posts certain people have seen over th…

These are new phenomena, and they might be qualitatively different than anything that previously existed. Historically, you could send a letter to a president. If the letter were unhinged, staff would throw it out. Thus, as a sociopath or a crazy, you'd have little or no access to a president. Now, a president is bombarded by thousands of crazies per day, and he will actually read some portion of it. We're no longer…

I'll go with the term bubbling for now, and suggest that we should have transparency into the bubbling that our elected officials are stuffed with.

I'll add to your thoughts with the interesting battles even to the courts where some officials could not block a user, and be forced to listen to crazies they tried to filter out.

I would actually pay money to see the feed that deniro (and some others) has been bubbled with the past so many years.

There was a time when I saw distant fam getting a deluge of questionable memes and such that cobbled partial news with partial non truths and feigned outrage mobs grew into real outrage mobs that believed even if shown their sources were suspect, they cared more about the bubble than sorting whats right and wrong.

I assume this has happened to many people and very few have access to the bubble layers for each person, we may never know the influences others have been fed that has been guiding them.

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Post by Kerb_ »

edgyquant wrote: post #106
tmpz22 wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP but I believe the main assertion is that Elon Musk's public rhetoric has become increasingly political over the past 5 years and that his dialogue conforms with modern conservative messaging. To break it down: * Hes posting a lot more * The content of his posts are proportionately more "culture-war" topics versus company/nerd/geek stuff that he used to post * Some of his posts align with populist conservative…

Well the left side of the political isle has also became increasingly critical of him since 2016 when he briefly worked at the White House. He went from being a darling fighting climate change to an evil villain almost overnight.

The left has been largely aware of Tesla's green washing for much longer than that.
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