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Twitter's response to US Government search warrant (turned over deleted DMs) [pdf]

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Re: Twitter's response to US Government search warrant (turned over deleted DMs) [pdf]

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Post by peppermint_gum »

ceejayoz wrote: post #36
justrealist wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I think they were saying that (1) internally at Twitter there were millions of references to the realDonaldTrump account in slack/email (plausible) and (2) there were a ton of external communications about the account which were probably not material to this request.

They're deliberately playing dumb, though, in a way that was probably pretty transparent to the judge. https://www.politico.com/news/2023/08/15/special-counsel-obt... That conversation refers to: > Among the data the search warrant commanded Twitter to produce: Accounts associated with @realdonaldtrump that the former president might have used in the same device. They know that doesn't mean "anyone who @mentioned him…

This is not true. "Millions of emails" was in reference to this part of the warrant:

"Communications between Twitter and any person regarding the account including contacts with support services and records of actions taken"

Re: Twitter's response to US Government search warrant (turned over deleted DMs) [pdf]

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Post by civilitty »

nightski wrote: post #42
postmodest wrote: post #15

At this point, Elon's purchase and seemingly-intentional brand-suicide looks more and more like a political favor. I mean, yes, if we shave this with Hanlon's Razor, the outcome is the same, but the rightward swing of Elon's public statements certainly makes this look more like quid-pro-quo than an oopsie.

Any other time and HN would be cheering that user data was attempted to be kept private and not disclosed. But one whiff of it being on the wrong side of a political divide and it becomes a witch hunt.

One whiff of the political divide and the victims come out with the witch hunt angle.

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Post by spencerflem »

tppiotrowski wrote: post #38
hnburnsy wrote: post #2

My favorite part is when the government suggests to Twitter that they should Ctl-F to find 'associated accounts'

Here's the government attorney explaining how Twitter should do it: > To the extent that Twitter does not, it should be a simple process. You have cookies associated with an account; you have the email for the subscriber information; perhaps you have the phone number; you definitely have the IP addresses. Control F that through your system to see what other accounts have come from those IP addresses, are linked to th…

This one does though, surely these systems are already in place for blocking spam

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Post by adrr »

nightski wrote: post #42
postmodest wrote: post #15

At this point, Elon's purchase and seemingly-intentional brand-suicide looks more and more like a political favor. I mean, yes, if we shave this with Hanlon's Razor, the outcome is the same, but the rightward swing of Elon's public statements certainly makes this look more like quid-pro-quo than an oopsie.

Any other time and HN would be cheering that user data was attempted to be kept private and not disclosed. But one whiff of it being on the wrong side of a political divide and it becomes a witch hunt.

For warrantless yes like when government gets logs from network providers and mobile phone operators without a warrant. I don’t think most on here disapprove of gathering evidence on a specified target via a judge approved warrant.

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Post by cornercasechase »

brandonagr2 wrote: post #48
postmodest wrote: post #15

At this point, Elon's purchase and seemingly-intentional brand-suicide looks more and more like a political favor. I mean, yes, if we shave this with Hanlon's Razor, the outcome is the same, but the rightward swing of Elon's public statements certainly makes this look more like quid-pro-quo than an oopsie.

In your theory, what does Elon get in return for these 'favors'?

Government handouts, SEC looking the other way, investment, pressure on media outlets that report on Musk/Tesla/Space X.

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Post by rig666 »

It's shocking to see the data that has been collected on a platform as simple as Twitter. During collage I was intern at a legal firm, and one thing I've learned is the more info someone can get on you the stronger the case. Regardless of the content weather good or bad.

Makes me want to strengthen my opsec big time.

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Post by tmpz22 »

roflyear wrote: post #28
postmodest wrote: post #15

At this point, Elon's purchase and seemingly-intentional brand-suicide looks more and more like a political favor. I mean, yes, if we shave this with Hanlon's Razor, the outcome is the same, but the rightward swing of Elon's public statements certainly makes this look more like quid-pro-quo than an oopsie.

I am not a fan of Musk or Twitter, but can you substantiate this? I'm about 1/10th of the way through the transcript and I haven't come to this conclusion yet.

Not OP but I believe the main assertion is that Elon Musk's public rhetoric has become increasingly political over the past 5 years and that his dialogue conforms with modern conservative messaging. To break it down:

* Hes posting a lot more

* The content of his posts are proportionately more "culture-war" topics versus company/nerd/geek stuff that he used to post

* Some of his posts align with populist conservative influencers

I don't have data to back this up - just my anecdotal experience.

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Post by ceejayoz »

morkalork wrote: post #44
hnburnsy wrote: post #2

My favorite part is when the government suggests to Twitter that they should Ctl-F to find 'associated accounts'

Easy-peasy, just open the last 6 years of twitter access logs in Excel and ctrl-F for Donny's ip/device identifier!

Do you really think they don't have some sort of system to index data like device identifiers for quick searching?

https://help.twitter.com/en/about-personalization-across-you...

> By better understanding how different browsers and devices are related, we can use information from one browser or device to help personalize the Twitter experience on another. For example, if you commonly use Twitter for Android around the same time and from the same network where you browse sports websites with embedded Tweets on a computer, we may infer that your Android device and laptop are related and later suggest sports-related Tweets and serve sports-related advertising on your Android device.

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Post by JohnMakin »

spencerflem wrote: post #53
tppiotrowski wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the government attorney explaining how Twitter should do it: > To the extent that Twitter does not, it should be a simple process. You have cookies associated with an account; you have the email for the subscriber information; perhaps you have the phone number; you definitely have the IP addresses. Control F that through your system to see what other accounts have come from those IP addresses, are linked to th…

This one does though, surely these systems are already in place for blocking spam

Of course they have this capability. They would have to.
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