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Re: Twitter's response to US Government search warrant (turned over deleted DMs) [pdf]

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In your theory, what does Elon get in return for these 'favors'?

While it's true that he's currying favor with a political group that favors gas-guzzling pickup trucks over electric vehicles and is diametrically opposed to his mission of saving humanity from ecological disaster, owning the libs (his customer base) is its own $40b reward. /s

In addition to that all pro-russian stance makes 0-sense in regards of SpaceX business.

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Many HN users have been on the other side of doing CCPA and GDPR data compliance and have more than passing familiarity with what is required and how that differs from what is desired. The four word summary of "right to be forgotten" does not properly encompass the PII that can be requested to be deleted nor differentiate it from other data which can be retained.

We're not talking about passing regulations down on HN: we're merely suggesting capability that almost every other similar forum platform supports: being able to delete your posts & account.

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#103
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Any other time and HN would be cheering that user data was attempted to be kept private and not disclosed. But one whiff of it being on the wrong side of a political divide and it becomes a witch hunt.

For warrantless yes like when government gets logs from network providers and mobile phone operators without a warrant. I don’t think most on here disapprove of gathering evidence on a specified target via a judge approved warrant.

I don't think that's true and I'm surprised the GP is flagged.

I think that many of us believe that all personal messages should be E2EE. When user data is not encrypted, companies should fight tooth and nail before handing it over to the government.

(I'm not American and have a highly negative view of Trump, but that should be irrelevant.)

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#104

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What happened to Musk reminds me of what happened to Chris Chan ( https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/CwcvilleGuardian ): internet trolls seemingly broke his mind. I believe that there will one day be a name for this syndrome, wherein a person who is the victim of prolonged internet trolling begins catering to the trolls with increasingly outlandish behavior, with their mind / beliefs warping into a shape that pleases th…

I've been wondering if there is a term for 'the choir glamouring you' sort of thing? I've been noticing odd behaviors in some public figures that make me believe instead of them 'preaching to the choir' - their 'choir' is convincing them a weird direction is a good idea. I think this is exasperated by the bubbles of social media - I would love to be able to see what social media posts certain people have seen over th…

These are new phenomena, and they might be qualitatively different than anything that previously existed.

Historically, you could send a letter to a president. If the letter were unhinged, staff would throw it out. Thus, as a sociopath or a crazy, you'd have little or no access to a president.

Now, a president is bombarded by thousands of crazies per day, and he will actually read some portion of it. We're no longer ineffectually yelling at the TV: the man on the TV is listening. Anyone can easily gain a small part of a leader's attention, and collectively a group of crazies even without coordination can likely influence him.

Additionally, as a crazy prior to social media, you'd have to settle at best for periodicals from your extremist group of choice. Most of your life would be consuming mainstream information and interacting with normal people. This would balance you out a bit.

Now, you can consume extremist/conspiracy content all day long without ever coming close to running out, and your entire social group can be fellow crazies from around the world. You can create for yourself as pure an echo chamber as a cult in a commune.

It's a recipe for radicalization and induces the same strange-belief-conforming that can be seen in any and all religions.

This can play out at any scale. For instance, the majority of Republicans believe the election was stolen, liberal cities are overwhelmed by constant looting, and immigrants hoards are surging across the border. They truly live in an alternate universe, and it's driven by the information+social bubbles of social media.

I dub the phenomenon "bubbling". Whether the bubble is an internet troll funhouse or a fear-and-outrage feed or the welcoming arms of a coven of internet crazies, the bubble will shape most humans who enter one into the bubble's own image. You can and will be bubbled.

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#105

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In your theory, what does Elon get in return for these 'favors'?

While it's true that he's currying favor with a political group that favors gas-guzzling pickup trucks over electric vehicles and is diametrically opposed to his mission of saving humanity from ecological disaster, owning the libs (his customer base) is its own $40b reward. /s

Or maybe the guy is actually conservative

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#106
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I am not a fan of Musk or Twitter, but can you substantiate this? I'm about 1/10th of the way through the transcript and I haven't come to this conclusion yet.

Not OP but I believe the main assertion is that Elon Musk's public rhetoric has become increasingly political over the past 5 years and that his dialogue conforms with modern conservative messaging. To break it down: * Hes posting a lot more * The content of his posts are proportionately more "culture-war" topics versus company/nerd/geek stuff that he used to post * Some of his posts align with populist conservative…

Well the left side of the political isle has also became increasingly critical of him since 2016 when he briefly worked at the White House. He went from being a darling fighting climate change to an evil villain almost overnight.

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#107

The non-disclosure order by the courts for this warrant was issued to Twitter on January 17th for six months; the day it expired, Reddit suddenly decided to purge all chat history prior to 2023: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36782915

They haven't really purged it, they just haven't copied older data to the new chat system (dumb decision). They still have that data, and you can get it by submitting a data export request: https://www.reddit.com/r/help/comments/14ee0wz/comment/joxzv...

Noted, thanks!

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#108

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I am not a fan of Musk or Twitter, but can you substantiate this? I'm about 1/10th of the way through the transcript and I haven't come to this conclusion yet.

He is parroting Russian talking points for peace talks in Ukraine. Not that I know anyone who asked for his opinion on the subject.

The same talking points that the chief of staff to the Nato secretary general floated just days ago?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/16/nato-official-...

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#109

At this point, Elon's purchase and seemingly-intentional brand-suicide looks more and more like a political favor. I mean, yes, if we shave this with Hanlon's Razor, the outcome is the same, but the rightward swing of Elon's public statements certainly makes this look more like quid-pro-quo than an oopsie.

In your theory, what does Elon get in return for these 'favors'?

Assurance of power and wealth.
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