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AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

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Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

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What about when you accidentally go 5mph over the speed limit?

5 mph is 8 km/h. That’s quite a lot. Pay attention to your speed when you are driving. Most, if not all, modern cars have cruise control where you can set your speed if you are having trouble following the speed limits.

5mph is nothing at many speed limits. 50, 60, 70, 80mph

Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

#112

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Oh grow up. Wearing a seatbelt isn't oppression you muppet.

First, as a self-identifying muppet, I resent your using the term as a pejorative. Second, and no longer tongue in cheek: You are definitely in violation of the HN guidelines. You can't comment like that here.

Won't obey the law.

Will obey the HN guidelines.

You freedom fighters are funny little creatures.

Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S.…

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Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

#114

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This is one of those quotes that sounds deep but is obviously untrue if you think about it for a bit. I suspect he would prefer “moral busybodies” to, I dunno, 1930’s Germany.

If I recall the essay, Lewis definitely believes that this applies to things like Nazi Germany or the USSR. The true believers in Arianism and communism thought they were doing good - they were creating this golden future for their people and/or the workers! So destroying everyone who was in the way was morally right (in their view). It's fair to say that Lewis would prefer moral busybodies in Cornwall with speed cam…

He specifically says “those who torment us for our own good”. The Nazis believed what they were doing was good for their people, but I don’t think they had any illusions that “destroying everyone…in the way” was good for the people being destroyed.

Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

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> texting while driving is insane I'm inclined to agree, but I would also love to see more detailed analysis. It is easy for everyone to jump on this particular bandwagon (I have found very few people willing to say that texting while driving is no big deal), but at the same time I see a lot of texting while driving happening every day. And while we do know it contributes to accidents, driving remains a relatively sa…

> we use such justifications for massively increasing surveillance Is it massively increasing surveillance? UK is full of speed cameras[1] and automatic number plate recognition cameras[2]. "Vehicle movements on UK roads are recorded by a network of 11,000 cameras that read around 60 million number plates daily." 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_speed_limit_enforcement_i... 2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autom…

That is a good point, though personally I do think there is a pretty significant escalation between reading number plates on the outside of the car, and pointing a camera inside the car to judge what is happening inside. I also think speed cameras are problematic, because they seem to be more effective at revenue generation than improving safety. We know how to design roads to make them safer implicitly, including ways to reduce the speed, without just pointing a camera at the cars and mailing out tickets a couple weeks later.

Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

#116
post #8

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S.…

Oh grow up. Wearing a seatbelt isn't oppression you muppet.

The objection isn't to the wearing of seatbelts. The objection is to the future of AI surveillance being injected into every aspect of our lives.

Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

#117

Hopefully this catches up. It's scary how normalized traffic violence and risking other's life is in our society. If there is one place where AI based automatic enforcement could instantly make life better it's traffic laws enforcement. I am looking for the day I can drive at a speed limit and not be a target of aggressive maniacs tailgating and dangerously overataking me or one I can go for a bike ride and not be ga…

What about when you accidentally go 5mph over the speed limit?

Ideally cars would be equipped with speed limiters. Then the problem disappears. Until this happens, there are many other solutions like you only start paying fines until you do over some limit (like 12 per year) of such minor infractions. Let's not take the focus from the main point: there is currently huge problem with reckless drivers causing death of tens of thousands of people per year (in US alone).

Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

#118
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“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” ― C. S.…

> It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. Oh what a slippery slope indeed. /s Instead of grandstanding, how do you suggest the law get enforced otherwise than partially automating checking if drivers are not driving blind for dozens of meters at a time?

"dozens" is probably underestimating it. That's a 70mph road, so just over 31 metres per second.

Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

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I do understand the privacy arguments, but there are thousands of people are being killed by drivers every day (many of whom aren't even in cars, they're walking or biking). Enforcing traffic laws is one of the only tools for fixing this that can be implemented quickly (as opposed to better urban design and public transit, which are better solutions in many other ways). I feel like their should be room to advocate fo…

It's puzzling to me why police need to be involved at all, save for possibly some sort of statutory restriction that ought to be removed. What is it about police's training that makes them uniquely qualified to process these images to determine that there's cause for a citation to be issued? This and other automated street safety tools are very valuable for public safety. But there's no reason these programs couldn't…

If you tried to hand this off to the transportation department, it'd probably end up under the British Transport Police. Six and two threes really.

The Police are already tooled up to issue traffic citations. Tooling up the BTP to do the same task would just mean more money, and end you at the same result, no?

Re: AI cameras catch 297 drivers in three days in Cornwall

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If I recall the essay, Lewis definitely believes that this applies to things like Nazi Germany or the USSR. The true believers in Arianism and communism thought they were doing good - they were creating this golden future for their people and/or the workers! So destroying everyone who was in the way was morally right (in their view). It's fair to say that Lewis would prefer moral busybodies in Cornwall with speed cam…

He specifically says “those who torment us for our own good”. The Nazis believed what they were doing was good for their people, but I don’t think they had any illusions that “destroying everyone…in the way” was good for the people being destroyed.

Read the rest of the essay, not just the one paragraph. He means "our" in the sense of "us as a group", which may not translate into good for each individual in the group. (He also talks about using the term "liquidating" instead of "killing" as being a bad sign. "Liquidating" people may be good for the group, but it obviously isn't good for the individual.)
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