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#62Twitter post archive: https://archive.is/PW3eG
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#63...and it may never have been a nefarious thing but a bug related to cookies or SSL activity on links and a myriad of other complicated things. Yes, Elon sucks but unsubstantiated nonsense that shouldn't have gotten beyond that HN post.
Send a request to their team about it, get back a poop emoji, then go check the owner’s timeline if they mentioned anything about it in between him calling Mark Zuckerberg a cuck, going to his house to beat him and the Gen Z memes, then go back recalling a year full of absolute nonsense, including several attempts to block competitor links, threatening to delete New York Times’ account for saying they won’t buy a check, and even marking Substack as a malware domain, and banning likes, replies and retweets of their main account, step back and think if assuming more of exactly THAT isn’t the most logical prediction to make.
Your mistake is treating Musk as if he’s acting like a normal person, and believing he’s running Twitter like a normal company.
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#64So tired of him. So tired.
Only you can choose to care or not care. And if you care about some troll, you’re going to become angry and then exhausted.
He’s the richest man on Earth, and has hundreds of millions of fans around the world. Multiple CEOs emulating him and saying they wish they could act more like him and copying his actions.
People care because Musk is actively bending and reshaping society with his actions, and we live in this society. And unfortunately he's reshaping society towards a more hostile, adversarial, dishonest society. Where you constantly identify enemies (he was even at "war" with Apple for a few days remember?), and you're constantly taking pleasure at confusing everyone, and teaching your fans to celebrate chaos and lack of meaning. "I'm serious, I'm joking, I'm serious, I'm joking, I'm serious, I'm joking". It’s also why no one could just ignore Trump for four years. You can’t just ignore all the president of the US does and says. You need a clear message, you need logical direction. And you never got it.
People want to live in a sane world where sane outcomes hold up. And Musk is repeatedly breaking this assumption and walking away unscathed or even gaining from it, showing us all anyone else also could.
His message is we can all be assholes. We can all be dicks to each other. We can all lie, constantly. We can all be frauds. We can all be sociopaths and narcissists. And many will go with it and do go with it. That is the problem. This is why people want to see him fail. Him failing, badly, will be healing for society and reverse some of this vast damage.
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#65...and it may never have been a nefarious thing but a bug related to cookies or SSL activity on links and a myriad of other complicated things. Yes, Elon sucks but unsubstantiated nonsense that shouldn't have gotten beyond that HN post.
I think it probably was some weird glitch, but I also think they decided not to fix it. Orgs and people have that weird bias, where they prefer to do things that benefits them.
My guess is, that some engineer noticed the glitch and then someone decided not to allocate time to solve it, because the CEO would be more happy if the glitch stayed the way it is.
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#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
did you actually get the throttle on the 10 domains? I could not even get it on one, now that it's apparently reverted. Am I supposed to believe that Musk and his team is so dumb that they attempted to add a FIVE freaking seconds delay and thought they could get away?
“I can’t replicate this issue, now that the issue has been fixed” I don’t even know where to begin...
can't even what? When you fix an issue there should still be evidence for its existence, no? Commenters of this entire thread expect everyone to read it at the exact time the issue happened?
Like what is the point of "citing" a bunch of "sources" if the "sources" are only able to provide the necessary information at one particular point in time?
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#67...and it may never have been a nefarious thing but a bug related to cookies or SSL activity on links and a myriad of other complicated things. Yes, Elon sucks but unsubstantiated nonsense that shouldn't have gotten beyond that HN post.
> a bug related to cookies
You're probably talking about this HN comment [1], but he was typing in the command wrong, and thus not querying it without a User-Agent (important, as Twitter has known different behaviour with different UAs), and once he got it right - same behaviour [2].
Like, sure, it could be a weird technical glitch. But as of yet, nobody could find a counter-example of a web property Musk didn't have an issue with, where this behaviour was exhibited.
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Can you elaborate?
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#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
If that were the case, it would be very appropriate for them to publicly acknowledge this with a root cause. I don’t give them such benefit of the doubt because occams razor in this case is that the company has a vindictive and childish billionaire at the helm, with a history of prioritizing edgy and spiteful actions.
Fair enough yeah, I know he doesn't care about what ppl think, but would love to hear a proper explanation. I couldn't even duplicate it for multiple NYT links on the site (last night). People were jumping to conclusions based on personal tests etc. Anyways, usual sh*tshow all around, just kind of wary/embarassing to see it jump out of a random Tell HN: thread on here to news sites.
It's funny, the HN crowd has gotten all up in arms about this, which even if true is merely childish and annoying. However, when the previous management blocked the New York Post for daring to break the story on Hunter Biden's laptop, that was apparently okay.
Instead of downvoting me this time, I would appreciate some discussion of how the alleged throttling is somehow so much worse than the actual censorship of an important news story about blatant corruption and multiple criminal acts by a politician's son that abused his father's position of privilege for personal gain.
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
Fair enough yeah, I know he doesn't care about what ppl think, but would love to hear a proper explanation. I couldn't even duplicate it for multiple NYT links on the site (last night). People were jumping to conclusions based on personal tests etc. Anyways, usual sh*tshow all around, just kind of wary/embarassing to see it jump out of a random Tell HN: thread on here to news sites.
It's funny, the HN crowd has gotten all up in arms about this, which even if true is merely childish and annoying. However, when the previous management blocked the New York Post for daring to break the story on Hunter Biden's laptop, that was apparently okay. Instead of downvoting me this time, I would appreciate some discussion of how the alleged throttling is somehow so much worse than the actual censorship of an…
>how the alleged throttling is somehow so much worse than...
One difference is transparency.
In the prior administration NY Post case, twitter leadership responded to the issue, acknowledged that the company made a mistake, and both pledged and acted to refrain from repeating the behavior. In the current case twitter has failed to acknowledge, discuss, or commit to any future actions.
Think about the kind of outages and system failures we see at any large SaaS provider. At scale, mistakes will happen, including bad ones. How the organization responds and what sort of transparency it provides tells us whether we can trust that organization going forward. Was there a post-mortem? Are there next steps?
Denial that the mistake happened and denial that the mistake was a problem is the worst response an organization can have after an incident. The current Twitter administration is thus far taking that path. The prior administration owned its mistake and corrected for it. That is the difference.