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Post by bastardoperator »

rectang wrote: post #269
bastardoperator wrote: post #268

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Wrong, you cannot commit to github without first agreeing to the TOS. Every user does it. Y'all are gonna get beat up in court and I think it's going to be hilarious.

> Wrong, you cannot commit to github without first agreeing to the TOS. Every user does it. The point is that there are repositories on Github that contain commits from non-Github-users. For example, not every single commit to the Linux kernel has been made by a Github user, but there is a mirror at https://github.com/torvalds/linux .

And when Linus who owns the entirety of the Linux copyright created the mirror, he agreed to the TOS. You're playing a dumb game and what I find odd about license zealots is their inability to respect licences that they're not forcing on others. Have any more prime examples you need debunked?

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by rectang »

bastardoperator wrote: post #271
rectang wrote: post #269

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Wrong, you cannot commit to github without first agreeing to the TOS. Every user does it. The point is that there are repositories on Github that contain commits from non-Github-users. For example, not every single commit to the Linux kernel has been made by a Github user, but there is a mirror at https://github.com/torvalds/linux .

And when Linus who owns the entirety of the Linux copyright created the mirror, he agreed to the TOS. You're playing a dumb game and what I find odd about license zealots is their inability to respect licences that they're not forcing on others. Have any more prime examples you need debunked?

Linus Torvalds doesn’t own all the copyright on Linux — Linux doesn’t require copyright assignment from contributors.

> You're playing a dumb game

For what it’s worth I’m not a lawyer and surely get some things wrong but licensing is an area where I have a certain amount of practical experience.

There’s some interesting ground to cover on this topic but we aren’t getting there and the incivility isn’t helping. Please consider this passage from the HN guidelines:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

> When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bastardoperator »

rectang wrote: post #272
bastardoperator wrote: post #271

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when Linus who owns the entirety of the Linux copyright created the mirror, he agreed to the TOS. You're playing a dumb game and what I find odd about license zealots is their inability to respect licences that they're not forcing on others. Have any more prime examples you need debunked?

Linus Torvalds doesn’t own all the copyright on Linux — Linux doesn’t require copyright assignment from contributors. > You're playing a dumb game For what it’s worth I’m not a lawyer and surely get some things wrong but licensing is an area where I have a certain amount of practical experience. There’s some interesting ground to cover on this topic but we aren’t getting there and the incivility isn’t helping. Please…

"Linux® is the registered trademark of Linus Torvalds in the U.S. and other countries."

Also, take it up with Torvalds:

  "And yes, at least under US copyright law, and at least if you see Linux as a "collective work" (which is arguably the most straightforward reading og copyright law, but perhaps not the only one) I am actually the sole owner of copyright in the *collective* work of the Linux kernel."
If you believe Linus, and I do, you can see how your argument is devoid of logic when Linus himself owns the collective work and put it on GitHub.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by Meekro »

bemusedthrow75 wrote: post #165
irusensei wrote: post #143

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I can’t force myself to like vscode. I need to code right? So I need 1-to be able to write text, 2-syntax highlighting. VSCode is an absolute mess of unnecessary plugins and popup that reminds me of an internet explorer 6 with too many web bars and a bonzi buddy dancing at the bottom of the screen. I also dislike Chrome and any chrome based reskin. I appreciate Firefox and even Safari. Specially Safari for the same r…

You can turn off a load of stuff. You don't have to install any plugins. VS Code has one as far as I am aware uniquely-implemented feature -- remote editing -- which is absolutely invaluable to me as a freelancer with many long-term, infrequently-updated projects. Lots of separate VM dev environments with different editor configuration and tool requirements, and more or less only SSH config and keys to connect me to…

I didn't want to move away from Sublime Text, so I made a continuous sync tool for remote editing. I've been using it for quite a while now and it works pretty well. https://unisync.sh/

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by xnx »

candiddevmike wrote: post #8

This is a dumb take. They're both equally untrustworthy. VSCode has an insane amount of telemetry turned on, ChatGPT is monitoring everything you type, and GitHub was abused to train a LLM. Microsoft and Google have both shown they would sell your data in a heartbeat to make a quick buck.

Google sells your attention, not your data.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by midoridensha »

croes wrote: post #142
bastardoperator wrote: post #17

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Ehh, I think this is also a bad take. Turn off telemetry, delete ChatGPT conversations, and I like having an LLM for GitHub versus Give us all your personal data and we're sharing it with ad partners, your personal data is our number one product and secondary products are only made to support the first endeavor.

MS has lot more products were you can't completely turn off telemetry if you aren't using the Enterprise version. Don't forget the Office 365 "productivity" measures. And the latest insanity, at least for me, ads in the settings of Windows 11. Never ever put ads in any configuration menu of the operating system. That clearly says, it's not my computer, its MS's and they try to squeeze every penny out they can get. So…

>ads in the settings of Windows 11. Never ever put ads in any configuration menu of the operating system.

Why not? I think they're great: they make more money for M$. If the users don't like it, too bad. Why should I care about them?

>That clearly says, it's not my computer, its MS's and they try to squeeze every penny out they can get.

That's right. It's not your computer, and you should just accept that and get used to it. You chose this path, by choosing MS as your OS provider.

>So they aren't any different from Google

No, they are different: Google doesn't control my PC's OS. The only PC OS they control is ChromeOS, which only runs on certain (usually low-end) hardware, and isn't normally used for any serious work.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by exodust »

pb7 wrote: post #270
exodust wrote: post #258

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> refuse to pay Interesting way to put it. Almost like refusing to pay the local thugs for "protection", and seeing the consequences of not paying get worse every year. Google increased ads on youtube to the point where it's now ugly and excessive. This doesn't make premium more valuable in its own right. It makes avoiding premium more uncomfortable, which is a lot different than your implication that people refuse o…

Just because you got something for free at the start doesn't mean it will stay that way. Other platforms like Netflix, HBO, Hulu, etc keep increasing prices year after year, even creating paid ad-supported tiers, and since most people pay YouTube by watching ads, ads are increasing commensurately too. Where's the confusion? The "refusal" refers to there being options where you don't have to see ads. I don't get to wa…

> "Other platforms like Netflix..."

Youtube contains endless "generative fill" content made with all the care and effort of a vending machine. Lifeless, worthless, rinse/repeat content made by content spammers. A slap in the face in terms of value for money.

On Youtube's homepage recently I saw this video: "5 Tallest Building Demolitions in History". Worth a look, right? Wrong. Narrated with an artificial voice, and containing about 11 minutes of stock video clips, padding things out to reach the 12 minute length. The few seconds of demolition footage is fleeting and extremely low quality because the uploader doesn't own the footage.

Netflix isn't infected with such blatantly empty clickbait rubbish, so is a poor comparison if you're tying to say "but you pay $15 a month for Netflix, why not Youtube"?

While Youtube provides a "tip jar" called "super thanks", Google takes a 30% cut of whatever is tipped to the creator, ON TOP of what they take from advertising and premium fees. Google takes and takes. They increase ads as if there's no limit. Do you think advertising should have limits? Or are you fine with YouTube becoming wall to wall repetitive intrusive ads unless people pay the protection fee to not suffer the onslaught?

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by exodust »

whynotminot wrote: post #261
exodust wrote: post #253

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Sounds like you value youtube premium because of what it doesn't show more than what it does. Google: "Pay the monthly fee to avoid getting slapped in the face with a wet fish." You: "worth every penny!"

What? We’re talking about the ads so that’s what I’m talking about here. Sometimes this site is obnoxious.

What?

You went from talking about ads to calling this site obnoxious? First of all, if you found my comment obnoxious, it's not "this site" that's obnoxious, it's this user!

My comment was mild. I find the increase in ads on youtube to be obnoxious. You find value in Premium, because you don't suffer ads. It's a fair call to wonder whether the value you find comes from "not seeing obnoxious levels of ads" vs anything else, such as the quality of service offered under premium.

End of the day: my criticism is directed at Google, for encouraging clickbait spammer content; increasing intrusive ads and charging too much in order to not suffer those increasing ads.

Re: Today I realized I now trust Microsoft more than Google. What is happening?

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Post by bastardoperator »

CoastalCoder wrote: post #86
wiseowise wrote: post #85

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The original comment was talking about VS Code, wasn't it?

I was speaking more generally about MS vs. Google.

You can turn off telemetry on Windows, you can try blocking Google from a network or DNS perspective, but in most cases that renders the site in an unusable state.
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